Biden promotes human rights as Modi says 'absolutely no space for discrimination' during state visit

The relationship is vital but India is not an ally of America. There should have been no state dinner and no address to Congress.

Biden promotes human rights as Modi says 'absolutely no space for discrimination' during state visit

Neo-liberals like Biden like making general nods in the direction of human rights and welfare while letting business carry on as usual.

Bernie Sanders on the other hand:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/06/22/why-progressive-democrats-are-boycotting-modis-speech-to-congress/?sh=26c2ff0143a6

Can Bernie Sanders be nominated as the conscience of the American political system ?

A right wing Hindu Nationalist who was denied a visa to enter the U.S. because of the massacre of Muslims in Gujarat is now being hosted to a state dinner right on the heels of Blinken's semi-productive trip to China. Go figure...

Geopolitics creates interesting friendships, especially for a Cold War era mentality US president. Modi talks a good democracy game. Facts on the ground tell a very different story.

The sound of liberal tears falling is so satisfying.

One can just imagine the look on their faces, since they have been calling for sanctions on India for continuing to maintain ties with old friend Russia since last year and instead they get this.

The Biden administration seems to be going out of their way to woo India to their side and one can say that even if a donkey were the Indian PM (well not much difference between a donkey and the current one though) he would still get a state dinner (no beef though).

Geopolitics sure makes strange bedfellows.

A champion of liberal hypocrisy shaking hands with a champion of right wing bigotry in the last picture.

In an ideal world both of them would be out of office by the end of next year, but we don't really live in an ideal world do we.

I read in an article recently that Modi has never given a press conference as PM. That's pure autocratic behavior.

deanzaZZRToday  07:36 am JST

Geopolitics creates interesting friendships, especially for a Cold War era mentality US president. Modi talks a good democracy game. Facts on the ground tell a very different story.

Nothing new about realpolitik. China and Russia get around this by having no principles to begin with.

I read in an article recently that Modi has never given a press conference as PM. That's pure autocratic behavior.

No it's just because he makes a fool of himself if he tries to speak English. He tried to spell 'strength' once and some youtube videos attest how that turned out. If he speaks Hindi his Gujarati accent is very pronounced.

He speaks Gujarati fluently but by that time only his bhakt cheerleaders are left to applaud.

@EvilBuddhaToday  07:38 am JST

The sound of liberal tears falling is so satisfying.

One can just imagine the look on their faces, since they have been calling for sanctions on India for continuing to maintain ties with old friend Russia since last year and instead they get this.

I am sure they are perfectly aware that India is one of the economic supporters of Russian terrorism and won't change their behavior.

A champion of liberal hypocrisy shaking hands with a champion of right wing bigotry in the last picture.

That's because the liberal hypocrisy as you describe it doesn't exist.

Biden promotes human rights

There's nothing like a good laugh to start the day. Thanks AP!

That's because the liberal hypocrisy as you describe it doesn't exist.

It sure does, because liberals have no problem in gifting away weapons on the premise that it will weaken Russia, but they have loads of problems in selling weapons to an enemy of China.

Some 'experts' who are self proclaimed liberals will soon come here to explain why the first is good but the second should not be done.

It's racism but liberals are experts at disguising it like they always have been. At least the other side are honest about their likes and dislikes.

The thing is the US partnering with China in the 1970s & 1980s did pose a strategic threat to the USSR. Today's India keeps zero Chinese strategists up late at night.

Nothing new about realpolitik

Today's India keeps zero Chinese strategists up late at night.

Don't worry, if some in the US administration see sense and sell arms to India like they have been selling arms to Pakistan, your strategists in China will soon be sleep deprived.

It's not like India can't fight China when push comes to shove.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathu_La_and_Cho_La_clashes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumdorong_Chu_standoff

deanzaZZRToday  08:10 am JST

The thing is the US partnering with China in the 1970s & 1980s did pose a strategic threat to the USSR. Today's India keeps zero Chinese strategists up late at night.

I'm not expert, but India does provide an economic counterweight to China on some level. Also might be a good market for US weapons. And I would hardly describe the US and China as partners ever.

EvilBuddhaToday  08:09 am JST

That's because the liberal hypocrisy as you describe it doesn't exist.

It sure does, because liberals have no problem in gifting away weapons on the premise that it will weaken Russia, but they have loads of problems in selling weapons to an enemy of China.

No liberal I know of is the least concerned about selling weapons to an enemy of China. Even one as dubious as India. There might be peaceniks thinking all weapons sales should stop, but that's a pretty slim minority.

It's racism but liberals are experts at disguising it like they always have been. At least the other side are honest about their likes and dislikes.

Going to need an explanation of how anything Biden has done in the past three years has been racist.

No liberal I know of is the least concerned about selling weapons to an enemy of China.

You can look at Ilhan Omar for one. Another expert here on JT, but I presume I already understand the motivations behind that one.

Going to need an explanation of how anything Biden has done in the past three years has been racist.

Not Biden, but those who make up his support base.

India is not a democracy,it about all their gods and deity,at least Muslim have a historical legacy through their Koran,lots of Indian were convicted of trying to impose caste system in the US , California has outlawed backwards caste practice in law,even the city of Seattle pass anti caste laws Google US Caste Law

You can look at Ilhan Omar for one. Another expert here on JT, but I presume I already understand the motivations behind that one.

Your American political spectrometer is broken. Ilhan Omar is a democratic socialist, not a lib.

If you find any libs around these parts, please point them out.

Biden is a center-right neo-liberal, Modi a far right populist with neo-liberal economic and social policies.

America is becoming so desperate.

But Modi bristled at a reporter's question about his country's commitment to democratic values as the country has seen an erosion of religious, political and press freedoms under his watch.

The US is similarly seeing an erosion of freedoms under Biden's administration.

Ilhan Omar is a democratic socialist, not a lib.

She is a progressive, though I do admit I don't really get the difference between progressives and liberals. 'Liberal' has become a tainted term so they just call themselves by another name.

Modi a far right populist with neo-liberal economic and social policies.

That's because anyone who tries to implement conservative economic and social policies in India will be voted out of power.

Just shows that Indian democracy is imperfect but thriving, unlike what the 'progressives' slash 'liberals' slash 'whatever they want to call themselves' claim.

 but they have loads of problems in selling weapons to an enemy of China.

US liberal here and I have absolutely no problem with the US selling weapons to an enemy of China. You referenced Omar, and could also probably have referenced AOC, but you have to understand that they are the products of their very progressive districts, just like MTG, Gaetz and crew are products of their very conservative districts. All of these guys are outside the mainstream of US politics, but if they don't deliver for their districts, they will be gone. They are up for reelection every two years.

well I belive that USA have so many human rights problems at home so possibly when Modi will fly back home whitehouse can finally do something about that,not just lecture all countries around the world how to life,what to do,how to think...

U,you do not know anything about mainstream,it not about mainstream,but about crazy Republicans if you saying crazy is mainstream in America

You do see people in China riding outside of trains by the 100 of thousands each day Google India Backwards Trains System

@EastmanToday 10:01 am JST

well I belive that USA have so many human rights problems at home so possibly when Modi will fly back home whitehouse can finally do something about that,not just lecture all countries around the world how to life,what to do,how to think...

World Press Freedom Index doesn't lie:

US - 45

India - 161

Russia - 164

China - 179

Money talks: The arms deal with India is a significant business opportunity for the US, while for Modi, it serves as a domestic showcase for the upcoming general election. If you're curious about the destinations of Russian crude oil exports after purification in India, you can search for it on Google.

So India is not a discriminatory society.......my dog, does any one ever read history books today? This Modi person is right now making laws discriminating against Muslims. And the USA is going along with that.

The relationship with India is going to be a complicated one.

On the one hand Modi is not a very good guy on human rights. As I recall there was a time when he was on the banned entry list.

But even more so than Saudi, India is critical going forward in confronting a hegemonic and even less democratic, more authoritarian, expansionist China.

So, it's not a particularly simple issue. But as an actual democracy, India and Indian public opinion is open to persuasion.

I would rather have a complicated, complex with a rising, fellow China-confronting, at least having the institutions of democracy power over the glowing ord sword dance with a power that supports Islamic fundamentalism and who murders their critics and dismembers them with a bone saw in their own embassy.

I would take that relationship any day of the week and so would any intelligent foreign policy expert from almost any part of the political spectrum.

Can Modi even be trusted?

India is buying cheap Russian oil and selling it.

India is buying cheap Russian oil and selling it.

Yeah, that is a fact.

Nothing of interest.

Can Modi even be trusted?

Trusted by whom? The religious minorities in India don't trust him though his government has been making efforts to reach out to certain religious minorities by labelling them as 'model minority'.

But no one in India trusts the British to do their thinking for them, since many British still think that India is their colony and should follow their orders.

India is buying cheap Russian oil and selling it.

Selling it to the US and EU. Good for business and good for India-Russia ties. Take it up with your government and ask them to slap secondary sanctions on India if you have a problem with it. Oh you will have to kick out the Yorkshire Maharajah first.

EvilBuddha

Selling it to the US and EU. Good for business and good for India-Russia ties. Take it up with your government and ask them to slap secondary sanctions on India if you have a problem with it. Oh you will have to kick out the Yorkshire Maharajah first.

Rishi Sunak will be gone in the next general election.

People of goodwill are thirsting for peace, equality, freedom, fellow feeling, dignity, and sustainable development. Long live Bharat Mata. Jai Hind.

The Indian Caste System: Explained

https://www.setfreealliance.org/indian-caste-system-explained/

Pretty please, equality?

“Democracy is our spirit,” Modi, who rarely takes questions from journalists, said through an interpreter. “Democracy runs in our veins. We live democracy and our ancestors have actually put words to this concept.” He said India has “proved that democracies can deliver and when I say deliver, this is regardless of class, creed, religion, gender....

What a load of old nonsense.

The Indian Caste System: Explained

https://www.setfreealliance.org/indian-caste-system-explained/

LOL an evangelical Christian organization from South Carolina explaining the caste system to prejudiced folks from the West who don't know better.

You don't know anything about the caste system in India.

A tribal scheduled caste is the current Indian President, the previous President was a Dalit, the current PM is a backward caste and the previous PM was a religious minority.

The reservation (affirmative action for you folks) policies have only led to a Brahmin exodus from India.