China sends warships and fighter jets near Taiwan during Yellen's Beijing visit

Glad you figured everything out for them

China will annex Taiwan.

It's inevitable.

Otherwise Taiwan would have officially claimed independence.

Taiwan is a sitting duck with nowhere to hide.

I wish Taiwan would become independent however realistically i sincerely doubt that's actually possible.

What ol' Jack Burton always saysToday 03:23 pm JST

China will annex Taiwan.

It's inevitable.

Nothing is inevitable except that China will pay a devastating cost for trying it.

Otherwise Taiwan would have officially claimed independence.

That does not follow. The Taiwanese want to live in peace. It is China that wants war.

Taiwan is a sitting duck with nowhere to hide.

It's also protected by 180 km of water.

I wish Taiwan would become independent however realistically i sincerely doubt that's actually possible.

If you did wish that, you wouldn't be posting these ridiculous pronouncements.

This belligerence just leads Taiwan to assume that the plan for invasion is real.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-xi-ordered-military-ready-taiwan-invasion-2027-cia-director-burns-says

It's going to sink the KMT chances and ensure the weapons continue to flow.

The historical pattern is pretty clear - this type of escalatory conduct shows Xi has lost control of the Chinese military - they do what they want to do...

A rogue Chinese military is not good for peace and stability in the Pacific...

Nothing is inevitable except that China will pay a devastating cost for trying it.

Very doubtful.

Taiwan is not Ukraine, with hundreds of miles of borders with NATO countries. There is no way to get weapons to Taiwan if they are blockaded. Whatever they have at the time an invasion starts, is what they will ever have to work with.

So, no, China will not pay a devastating cost for trying.

More pointless chest thumping from China!!

Go ahead, continue doing it.

Just more arms being supplied to Taiwan and more worldwide support for Taiwan!!

Janet, Kamala and Joe. This outstanding trio truly strikes a fear in any pariah.

Just more arms being supplied to Taiwan and more worldwide support for Taiwan!!

Nah, they are too busy with Ukraine to send arms to Taiwan.

ZorotoToday 04:29 pm JST

Taiwan is not Ukraine

Well you got at least that right. Ukraine isn't protected by 180 km of water.

There is no way to get weapons to Taiwan if they are blockaded.

There won't be much need to as it will be an active naval war between the US and China. Just let that sink in for a minute: it won't be a country with no air power but the #1 military spender in the world China will be up against. And it will be removing 20% of exports to the US and potentially another 20% to Japan and Europe. Permanently. And all of this assumes it doesn't go nuclear.

Whatever they have at the time an invasion starts, is what they will ever have to work with.

So, no, China will not pay a devastating cost for trying.

Keep assuming the US will just walk away from a Taiwan conflict. History, US public opinion, and US law indicates otherwise.

There won't be much need to as it will be an active naval war between the US and China. 

I doubt it. In any case, it's only China that has the hypersonic missiles in service to sink an Enterprise class aircraft carrier. So I would find it very surprising if the US tried to engage China on the sea over Taiwan.

US public opinion, and US law indicates otherwise.

One aircraft carrier sinks and the public opinion changes. I have no idea what "US law" you are referring to.

ZorotoToday 04:52 pm JST

There won't be much need to as it will be an active naval war between the US and China.

I doubt it.

No reason to doubt it: the US has been preparing for it for 75 years and staked its reputation on it.

In any case, it's only China that has the hypersonic missiles in service to sink an Enterprise class aircraft carrier. So I would find it very surprising if the US tried to engage China on the sea over Taiwan.

The US doesn't just have aircraft carriers, it too has long range missiles, bombers, and submarines that will make China very sad it started something.

US public opinion, and US law indicates otherwise.

One aircraft carrier sinks and the public opinion changes.

Yeah, the public opinion goes through the roof for further war.

I have no idea what "US law" you are referring to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act

A little research goes a long way.

I wonder if Xi is losing control of the military. Some promising signs of peace from the Yellen visit and the generals think they need to upend the table.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Relations_Act

A little research goes a long way.

Did you actually read the Wikipedia article before accusing people of not doing any research?

"The TRA does not guarantee the U.S. will intervene militarily if the PRC attacks"

Not sure if you know, but only the Congress of the United States can enact war, not the president.

I wish Taiwan would become independent however realistically i sincerely doubt that's actually possible.

Taiwan doesn't need to declare independence - they just need things to remain status quo

Taiwan does fine with the status quo. Ex: they've become the best semiconductor manufacturer in the world within that status quo. They can do business

It's China's that's not fine with the status quo - that's why they're saber-rattling; they've been threatening war

The only way Taiwan reunites with China is whenever China becomes a democracy first

Right now, Taiwan is looking at what's happening in Hong Kong and in China itself - and the Taiwanese don't like what they see. The Taiwanese love their freedom too much

So the only way the Taiwanese would reunite with China is whenever their freedom is guaranteed, including the freedom to elect their leaders by popular vote. And the only way that happens is whenever China becomes a democracy first

So if ya want Taiwan to reunite with China, then urge China to become a democracy. That's the best way

The US doesn't just have aircraft carriers, it too has long range missiles, bombers, and submarines that will make China very sad it started something.

So they are going to carpet bomb Beijing like they did in Tokyo?

Lol.

The Chinese THINK they are ready to fight a first tier navy.

They aren't.

Lol; America is turning the area into a "Powder Keg", not china...that's a good one.

China is unable to gain control of Taiwan without a military conflict. The people of Taiwan have no desire to lose their freedoms and be overrun by the CCP. China will pay a very high price in any conflict over Taiwan, not just militarily but through loss of trade whether the US defends Taiwan or not. Sanctions will not be short term but will last decades no matter of China gets control of Taiwan or not. The attempt will damage China's trade beyond measure.

There is a high likelihood that the US will get directly involved, and a number of US allies will join them, although much depends on who is president of the US at the time. Public sentiment in the west and with western allies is not in China's favor with most supporting Taiwan's continued independence.

Most people in China couldn't care less about China controlling Taiwan, especially if they face losing their only child to a war they dont want, all because Xi wants Taiwan. Leaders are always the ones that drive towards war, never the average citizen who simply struggles daily to have decent lives in safety.

Why should the people of China be forced to sacrifice their only child for something they dont want? Taiwan being controlled by the CCP does nothing for their lives, it is a bragging point for their leader that he conquered Taiwan, to be recorded for all time in history.

The loss of life in Ukraine for a leader who wants to control Ukraine and make it Russian is senseless and criminal, and it would be equally criminal and senseless for China to invade Taiwan. It brings destruction and waste and great misery more than anything else. Just to make a name for leaders that are failures, in their nations history.

Humans have learned nothing from two world wars, because there are leaders with the desire to conquer others and force them to become second class citizens and to be controlled by a foreign nation. Shameful. Also shameful are those who attempt to justify such actions. They provide an enabling environment for these horrific actions to occur.

If Taiwan wants independence then go ahead and claim it !

Maybe Taiwan should claim the mainland rather than independence. Nudge nudge wink wink.

Yeah I’m aware. The ROC could claim to be the rightful leaders of all of China, but to be honest, I don’t see that actually coming to fruition and I’m sure they don’t themselves. The PRC should really leave well enough alone IMO.

Maybe Taiwan should claim the mainland rather than independence. Nudge nudge wink wink

Some people are already calling china "West Taiwan"

LOL!

I do believe the clock is ticking before China decides to take Taiwan. It may be when the economy tanks, millions are unemployed and social unrest may prompt the CCP to galvanize nationalism. When the Air force is massive, and the Navy has increased its carrier force. It's not like they havent been studying the US navy.

Another war may distract the US from actively getting involved, or the US economy and the Chinese economy become weaponised and China could inflict harm on the US economy. Another alternative is they realize the US won't actively get into a direct shooting war, but will want to use the NATO/Ukraine approach. That would then logistically be difficult. An Air-sea exclusion zone would be imposed. China would say it's an internal matter and would cease to be a nation that's not even recognised by the UN, its bodies or even other members of the UN. If China was to be a democracy, then maybe Taiwan would choose to join China. But I wonder if Hong Kong would have made that choice?mmmmmmm

It’s about time we find out how good the SU-20 is against the F-22 and F-35.

I wonder if the chinese want to know bad enough.

Here, I'll let you in on a little secret. The Republic of China does claim the whole territory of China.

Maybe Taiwan should claim the mainland rather than independence

ZorotoJuly 8 06:00 pm JST

The US doesn't just have aircraft carriers, it too has long range missiles, bombers, and submarines that will make China very sad it started something.

So they are going to carpet bomb Beijing like they did in Tokyo?

Lol.

You never know if China attacks Guam, Hawaii, or an aircraft carrier not directly involved in offensive operations. And we have the stealth bombers to do it. I suspect you won't be loling then.

Zoroto:

You are correct, only Congress can enact War in the USA, but “The President’s Own” are there to do his bidding, 24/7, anywhere in the world.

Google THAT.

What ol' Jack Burton always saysJuly 8 07:20 pm JST

I wish Taiwan would become independent however realistically i sincerely doubt that's actually possible.

If you did wish that, you wouldn't be posting these ridiculous pronouncements.

Ha ha... well mr Taiwan isn't China- perhaps consider some people have the ability to observe and asses a situations logical outcome with also wishful thinking otherwise.

Yeah, that's not you. You can't even do the assessment part correctly.

Its not a monochromatic world

But you noncritically think it is a Chinese one.

I also wish you would think more logically and not complain about your personal health issues however realistically that not gonna happen either .

What you going on about that is completely irrelevant?

If Taiwan wants independence then go ahead and claim it !

As you have said I'm sure, the Han people are good at waiting. It may take a few more decades for the CCP to collapse but it will.

Otherwise the outcome is completely obvious.

Not to anyone with a brain.

RichardPearceJuly 8 10:15 pm JST

The breakaway province of Taipei will reunify with China despite all the foreign efforts to further radicalize it.

Wishes aren't fishes.

The exact same economic and social forces that brought the population into eventually accepting the radicals who took it over after fleeing mainland China when they were rejected by the majority of the overall Chinese population

That's a funny way to put "when the CCP was supplied with sufficient weapons from Moscow".

will bring that about, now that China, rather than the US, is the major power within the globally dominant coalition (the Global South/BRICS/BRI/SCO group that has eclipsed the White Bloc)

It eclipses it only in population. And as we've told you countless times, Japan and SK generally aren't considered caucasian.

The only question is whether the White Bloc is going to create a bloody period of violence before that happens.

No questions about it: China is going to have to pay the price for the things it grabs.

One aircraft carrier sinks and the public opinion changes.

I would posit that you don’t understand Americans as well as you think you do.

UCP is right that Americans might be convinced to rally to the 'defense' of the White Bloc in the event of a military loss. But they also might be convinced to rally to the 'defense' of America (pulling out of the White Bloc and bringing its widespread military back to America and American waters) if they sense that the world has changed and the White Bloc would lose badly.

Which way the general population will be herded is up to how their Oligarchs see serving their interests.

RichardPearceToday 03:53 am JST

military loss.

Yeah, no, that would be an escalation by the dictatorship block, just as if the US decided to nuke Peking in the opening stages of the war.

UCP is right that Americans might be convinced to rally to the 'defense' of the White Bloc in the event of a military loss. But they also might be convinced to rally to the 'defense' of America (pulling out of the White Bloc and bringing its widespread military back to America and American waters) if they sense that the world has changed and the White Bloc would lose badly.

Which way the general population will be herded is up to how their Oligarchs see serving their interests.

Considering only some percentage of the Republican party likes surrender, you will be seeing the US justifiably escalate before any sort of backing down despite your wishes to the contrary. And only the dictatorship block has oligarchs because only the dictatorship block is as corrupt as sin.

Who cares about China’s silly antics, lol

Taiwan's economy is booming at present, China's is not. Their current situation is perilous with over 20 million grads unable to find work, youth unemployment at an all time high, and any person over 35 have no chance of employment. On top of that, their infrastructure is crumbling, thousands of newish buildings are crumbling because of the corruption within the building trade. Taiwan is the complete opposite, so I think China's main goal is taking over their economy.

Full support for beautiful, democratic, progressive Taiwan.

The free, world stands with the Taiwanese people.

The attitude of China toward peace negotiations with the United States is unfavorable.