Ukraine reports bringing war deep into Russia with attacks on Moscow and border region

Are they mad from self delusion without realising that this will lead to more attacks to civilian areas in Ukraine? Both sides are barbaric monsters, gangster regimes with little consideration for human life, despite what they vocalise to the media.

This needs to end soon before Ukraine becomes a wasteland.

Time for the carefree residents of Moscow to care a bit about the war their fascist dictator has gotten them into.

falseflagsteve

Are they mad from self delusion without realising that this will lead to more attacks to civilian areas in Ukraine?

They were attacking military targets.

Both sides are barbaric monsters, gangster regimes with little consideration for human life, despite what they vocalise to the media.

Just Russia.

This needs to end soon before Ukraine becomes a wasteland.

Ukraine won't become a wasteland. Russia are unlikely to make any more advances.

Falseflagsteve: This needs to end soon before Ukraine becomes a wasteland.

You're saying Russia will turn Ukraine into a wasteland? What a horrible country.

2020

They don’t have to make more advances they have drones and missiles and have ramped up production the last few months. It’s not the 19th century now you see, awful carnage can be caused from far away now.

"I'm shocked to find that gambling is going on here!"

. . . scene from film 'Casablanca"

Why should Russia or anybody else be surprised or shocked? Russia has been using battlefield weapons, artillery and missiles on civilian areas in Ukraine (killing thousands of innocents) for over a year now . . . and people are reacting like: Oh, this is terrible! I'm shocked!

The gloves came off a long time ago when the Russians targeted Ukrainian civilians. Frankly, it's surprising that Ukraine has been so patient and hasn't reacted as barbarously as the Russians have been doing since they invaded Ukraine.

falseflagsteve

2020

They don’t have to make more advances they have drones and missiles and have ramped up production the last few months. It’s not the 19th century now you see, awful carnage can be caused from far away now.

You make it sound like Russia is going to stop sending missiles to civilian cities. They aren't.

So Ukraine sending drones to Moscow, highlights to Russians that they are in a war

Yrral

Ukraine is being set up for a fatal decapitation strike,and it coming sooner than you think,

Do you have any links? Evidence?

2020

They have been sending drones to Moscow for ages. Only levy to make Putin to take harsher measures against civilian areas deep in Ukraine.

Attacks against civilians don't weaken resolve, they strengthen it.

These attacks are a gift to the Kremlin, because the Russian media can focus on these and tell average everyday Russians that their country is under attack.

Only the delusional and russians think they can launch a genocidal war on their neighbours and expect they will remain untouched. They are lucky the Ukrainians are vastly more civilised and moral and restrict them selves to military targets The russian orcs have bombed and murdered civilians from day one and loosed cluster munitions on civilian targets despite their squeals once Ukraine got the same munitions.

Anyway by their own russian logic it’s their own fault, if they hadn’t intercepted them they would have safely hit their targets and not the office block.

Thuban

Exactly and will likely increase support for the Russian regime. Ukraine only has the capability to make small token attacks like this whereas Russia can do much more damage. The move by Ukraine is going to cause more Ukrainian deaths and shows that both leaders have a lack of concern for deaths of their own civilians.

Keep pounding, Ukraine!

falseflagsteve

2020

They have been sending drones to Moscow for ages. Only levy to make Putin to take harsher measures against civilian areas deep in Ukraine.

No it doesn't. Putin can't take harsher measures. He has been indiscriminately attacking civilian targets in Ukraine for a year now.

Thuban

Attacks against civilians don't weaken resolve, they strengthen it.

Yes. That's generally true.

But until recently, the war in Ukraine has been described as a special military operation and not an imperialistic invasion. Attacks in Moscow bring home to ordinary Russians that they are in a war against Ukraine.

These attacks are a gift to the Kremlin, because the Russian media can focus on these and tell average everyday Russians that their country is under attack.

And what happens when the Russian public ask why they are under attack? They are confronted with their own country's imperialism.

2020

If you really think that Putin has been unleashing attacks to the max you are 100% mistaken I’m afraid.

Fight Russia the way they are destroying Ukraine, taking Ukrainian lives!

Hit them where it hurts them most - on their own turf!

Ukraine prevails!

They are targeting Ukraine civilian,and Ukraine is defenseless to do anything about it

falseflagsteve

2020

If you really think that Putin has been unleashing attacks to the max you are 100% mistaken I’m afraid.

Do you have any links? Evidence?

Attacks against civilians don't weaken resolve, they strengthen it.

And you’re wondering why the attacks inside Russia are becoming more frequent.

Yrral

They are targeting Ukraine civilian,and Ukraine is defenseless to do anything about it

Apart from air defence systems.

I would be surprised if the drone came all the way from Ukraine. Probably launched from much closer.

Unless it was one of these Ukrainian-produced drones, perhaps:

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1685717735219830784

Oh, they really know how to calm things down.

Ukraine, under western guidance/pressure is doing all it can to provoke Russia.

Wick's pencil

Oh, they really know how to calm things down.

Ukraine, under western guidance/pressure is doing all it can to provoke Russia.

Provoke them to do what? Fire missiles at Ukrainian cities? They are already doing that.

And what makes you think they are under western guidance/pressure to attack Russian targets? Do you have any links? Evidence?

Insurgents are far more effective. Programmed drones cannot be jammed. Learn from the tactics of protestors who spend little but maximise impact. Infrastructure is much less resilient nowadays as it often has a digital component, but sabotage can still be effective. If you want the moral high ground, be very fussy about targets and clinical in hitting them.

"I would be surprised if the drone came all the way from Ukraine. Probably launched from much closer."

Yes, very likely these drones are launched by pro Ukraine elements from within Russia.

Putin has increased the conscription age to 30 because he needs more men.

Provoke them to do what? Fire missiles at Ukrainian cities? They are already doing that.

Yes, they are already doing that, in response to Ukrainian attacks.

And what makes you think they are under western guidance/pressure to attack Russian targets? 

Why else would Zelensky be sacrificing his country and his people?

another proof that UA is desperate....

spring offensive should look a bit different...?

these desperate drone attacks will just keep Russia more united and stronger...

WP - What country do you live in that would tolerate invaders raping and pillaging your land and people?

Please let me know so me and my new UCP PMC can come and set up shop.

WP - What country do you live in that would tolerate invaders raping and pillaging your land and people?

Typical

You forget the Ukrainians we’re doing this to their own Russian speaking citizens waaaaaay before Russia ended it with the invasion.

From zero attacks inside Russia prior to the invasion, to three in a week. Yep, Putin’s plan to keep Russians safe is working extremely well.

You forget the Ukrainians we’re doing this to their own Russian speaking citizens waaaaaay before Russia ended it with the invasion.

And Russian backed separatists were doing it to Ukrainians. So yeah. Typical.

You forget the Ukrainians we’re doing this to their own Russian speaking citizens waaaaaay before Russia ended it with the invasion.

Are you suggesting this validates and justifies invading Ukraine, trying to take over the nation, and murdering it's citizens in the process?

Interesting logic. No extremism here. Carry on.

WP - What country do you live in that would tolerate invaders raping and pillaging your land and people?

Oh, I see. You're one of those who believe this is an unprovoked invasion by imperialistic Russia, that just wants to conquer land and kill civilians. It isn't!

The recently aired comments by the acclaimed director monsignor Oliver Stone show that he certainly has a strong opinion on the origins of the Russia Ukraine War.

"US President Joe Biden is following a "suicidal" course in Ukraine and may drag the US "stupidly into a confrontation" with Russia, acclaimed director Oliver Stone said during a recent podcast appearance. 

Stone blamed the conflict in Ukraine on the "neoconservative movement who started the war in Iraq," and who still occupy prominent positions in Biden's government citing prominent figures like Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and Secretary of State Antony Blinken. He went on to add that "Biden is an old Cold Warrior, and he really hates the old Soviet Union which he confounds again with the Russian Federation, which is not communist."

"Biden is an old Cold Warrior, and he really hates the old Soviet Union which he confounds again with the Russian Federation, which is not communist," Stone continued. "It seems that he's dragging us stupidly into a confrontation with a power that is not going to give. This is [Russia's] borders. This is their world. This is NATO going into Ukraine. This is a whole other story."

Stone revealed that he voted for Biden in 2020, a decision that he now considers "a mistake." "I was thinking he was an old man now, that he would calm down, that he would be more mellow and so forth," Stone said, adding that he now sees "a man who maybe is not in charge of his own administration."

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/director-oliver-stone-declares-he-made-a-mistake-when-he-voted-for-biden-says-he-may-start-world-war-3/ar-AA1ewacJ

LVD - Stone needs to look at a map. Donbas and Crimea are Ukraine, not Russia.

Oliver Stone seems to have gotten senile and forgotten it was Russia who started this war, and Russia who is continuing it.

Oh, I see. You're one of those who believe this is an unprovoked invasion by imperialistic Russia, that just wants to conquer land and kill civilians. It isn't!

Russia's intent doesn't matter, just their presence does.

Oh, I see. You're one of those who believe this is an unprovoked invasion by imperialistic Russia, that just wants to conquer land and kill civilians. It isn't!

The Russian propaganda machine is desperate to have the world think that it wasn't an investigation by imperialistic Russia, to conquer land. Is it intentional are pushing the same agenda as Putin's propaganda machine, or just coincidence?

Wick's pencil

Provoke them to do what? Fire missiles at Ukrainian cities? They are already doing that.

Yes, they are already doing that, in response to Ukrainian attacks.

No, they aren't. They have been firing missiles at cities for the last year!

Wick's pencil

And what makes you think they are under western guidance/pressure to attack Russian targets? 

Why else would Zelensky be sacrificing his country and his people?

He isn't.

"Oliver Stone seems to have gotten senile and forgotten it was Russia who started this war, and Russia who is continuing it....."

Im not surprised a well respected director will get called all sorts of adjectives for not following the popular narrative but I,m also fairly certain Mr. Stone knows more about the geo political roots of the current situation than you, me or any other poster on JT. He did much deep research into the origins of the Ukraine Russia conflict when making his acclaimed documentary "Ukraine on Fire ". Another excerpt from the above linked article -

"Stone spoke about producing the documentary and how it explains the origins of the current war raging in Eastern Europe. .You have to look at the reasons for this war, and whenever you do, the Americans like to simplify and say it’s a question of a Russian invasion of Ukraine. That’s very simplistic and very black-and-white," he said, recounting how he produced "Ukraine on Fire" which he argued, "explains the origins of this war in the coup d'état of 2014 which was sponsored and supported thoroughly by the United States, it was a very deep plan to penetrate the Russian Federation."

Wick's pencil

WP - What country do you live in that would tolerate invaders raping and pillaging your land and people?

Oh, I see. You're one of those who believe this is an unprovoked invasion by imperialistic Russia, that just wants to conquer land and kill civilians.

That's exactly what it is.

Humdinger Gobbledygook

And what makes you think they are under western guidance/pressure to attack Russian targets? Do you have any links? Evidence?

Try reading the article.

I did. And it doesn't mention anything about western guidance/pressure to attack Russian targets.

No, they aren't. They have been firing missiles at cities for the last year!

It's how they started their "72 hour special invasion" that Putin promised would be finished in the aforementioned 72 hours.

Instead he's sent tens of thousands of Russian men to die.

Im not surprised a well respected director will get called all sorts of adjectives for not following the popular narrative but I,m also fairly certain Mr. Stone knows more about the geo political roots of the current situation than you, me or any other poster on JT.

You clearly are a subscriber to the logical fallacy of "appeal to authority". Come back when you have a logical argument to show that Stone knows what he's talking about, because logical fallacies are for the low-intelligent, and I'm a PoI.

Also, are you suggesting Russia didn't start this war with an invasion? That's what Putin's propaganda team is pushing... Are you pushing the same agenda?

LVD - Mr. Stone is entitled to his opinion, as are we all.

La vie douce

The recently aired comments by the acclaimed director monsignor Oliver Stone show that he certainly has a strong opinion on the origins of the Russia Ukraine War.

Oliver Stone who was co-opted by Russian propaganda machine to make pro-Russian propaganda videos and an interview series with Putin.

I'd call him a sellout, except, I think he kinda believes it, so a useful idiot is closer.

Appeal to authority: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

The Russians are going to learn that when you start a war, sometimes there is blowback that is by definition, unanticipated.

Best to head home to their side of the line and their cities won’t spontaneously combust.

La vie douce

"Biden is an old Cold Warrior, and he really hates the old Soviet Union which he confounds again with the Russian Federation, which is not communist,"

Maybe, but Stone is forgetting that it was Russia that invaded and Biden has refused to send troops into Ukraine.

La vie douce

"Oliver Stone seems to have gotten senile and forgotten it was Russia who started this war, and Russia who is continuing it....."

Im not surprised a well respected director will get called all sorts of adjectives for not following the popular narrative but I,m also fairly certain Mr. Stone knows more about the geo political roots of the current situation than you, me or any other poster on JT.

He absolutely does not. Many, who have respected Stone in the past, myself included, have mourned his myopathy of his views on Russia.

After the initial invasion, Stone thought that Russia had been tricked into the invasion. And then there was the video that used Stone's voice, but not his writing, to peddle Russian propaganda about the Maidan: Ukraine on Fire (mimicking Winter on Fire).

Nope, I'm sad to say Oliver Stone has burnt through his credibility chips on anything Russia related.

always remember

action-reaction

follow up case to see adequate russian response soon with rockets "they does not have"...

"You clearly are a subscriber to the logical fallacy of "appeal to authority". Come back when you have a logical argument to show that Stone knows what he's talking about, because logical fallacies are for the low-intelligent, and I'm a PoI."

Lol, you are better informed and more of an expert on the topic than Mr. Stone? Oh the hubris....why don't you watch monsignor Stone,s documentary "Ukraine on Fire " before commenting? Have you researched the roots of the current conflict as deeply as Mr. Stone has? Instead of personal attacks and insinuating people have "low-intelligence " perhaps you should eat some humble pie, might do you good. Then again some are beyond help.

"Also, are you suggesting Russia didn't start this war with an invasion? That's what Putin's propaganda team is pushing... Are you pushing the same agenda?"

Read my comments - did I suggest Russia didn't invade? I said no such thing. I quoted an article where Mr. Stone says the origins of the war are deep and not a simple black and white. And coversely I,ll ask you the same question you keep asking everyone who doesn't share your narrative - Are you pushing the same agenda as White House intentionally or is it a coincidence?

With that I bid you a good day monsignor. Au revoir.

@EFD - I don’t think things are going to end for Russia now, regardless of whether they pull back within their own border or not. One of the original reasons stated for the invasion was to guarantee the safety of Russian citizens… but as these attacks within Russia have only started since the invasion and become more frequent, it shows things have been made much worse. This is going to last generations, and Russia will have its own 9/11 moments because of this. Putin has been the worst lesser possible for the Russian people.

worst leader possible

La vie douce

"You clearly are a subscriber to the logical fallacy of "appeal to authority". Come back when you have a logical argument to show that Stone knows what he's talking about, because logical fallacies are for the low-intelligent, and I'm a PoI."

Lol, you are better informed and more of an expert on the topic than Mr. Stone? Oh the hubris....why don't you watch monsignor Stone,s documentary "Ukraine on Fire " before commenting?

I have seen it and that's why I know it is pure propaganda. Did you know that Stone didn't write any part of the script or do any research into it. The script was supposedly written by Vanessa Dean, who I haven't heard of or seen anything else that she wrote. Kinda suspicious.

UChosePoorly - LVD - Mr. Stone is entitled to his opinion, as are we all.

Of course we all are, no argument there.

Are you suggesting this validates and justifies invading Ukraine

Point is The US and Uk instigated the coup with was the large domino now escalating

FizzBit

Are you suggesting this validates and justifies invading Ukraine

Point is The US and Uk instigated the coup with was the large domino now escalating

There was no coup. There was a popular uprising, after which Yanukovych fled to Russia. The new government was voted in by the Rada.

Point is The US and Uk instigated the coup with was the large domino now escalating

1) Not true.

2) That doesn't justify invading.

Sorry, Russia no longer being able to manipulate Ukraine doesn't justfiy the invasion and attempted land grab.

Why else would Zelensky be sacrificing his country and his people?

as Europe’s second most corrupt country and $60 billion in cash missing, that maybe a clue.

2020hindsights - I agree that certainly Mr. Stone did not do everything on the film set himself but he was the executive producer overseeing the project and conducted interviews with the main figures in the documentary. I have not heard of Vanessa Dean who "supposedly wrote the script" either, is that information itself reliable? I'm sure powers to be that do not agree with the documentary message would do their best to discredit the messenger - standard operating procedure.

exactly what Ukraine promised they would NOT do with US weapons, attacks on Russian soil against Russian civilians.

exactly what Ukraine promised they would NOT do with US weapons, attacks on Russian soil against Russian civilians.

How do you know they are using US weapons on Russia? Are you sure you aren't getting angry about something that didn't actually happen? Do you think that we MAGA should believe this in the same way you and I know beyond any reasonable facts that Trump won in 2020?

Blacklabel - you will relieved to learn that this almost certainly wasn't a US-provided weapon.

Are they mad from self delusion without realising that this will lead to more attacks to civilian areas in Ukraine? Both sides are barbaric monsters, gangster regimes with little consideration for human life, despite what they vocalise to the media.

Well said, but the left is intent on keeping this proxy war ongoing.

be* relieved

Are you sure you aren't getting angry

Im quite sure Im not.

just stating facts.

you will relieved to learn that this almost certainly wasn't a US-provided weapon.

Almost certainly?

so the US is NOT supplying Ukraine with drones?

Cause I know for a fact they are

Are you sure you aren't getting angry

Im quite sure Im not. 

just stating facts.

Facts?

1) Ukraine has its own drones as well. If you have proof that US drones were used please share it.

2) Ukraine was obviously targeting military targets, but as the article states:

while two others were jammed and crashed into the Moscow City business district.

It seems Russia should be smarter than jamming the drones over a business district. But maybe not…

La vie douce

2020hindsights - I agree that certainly Mr. Stone did not do everything on the film set himself but he was the executive producer overseeing the project and conducted interviews with the main figures in the documentary. I have not heard of Vanessa Dean who "supposedly wrote the script" either, is that information itself reliable? I'm sure powers to be that do not agree with the documentary message would do their best to discredit the messenger - standard operating procedure.

No I aren't saying that she didn't write the script, but don't you think it strange that she has no qualifications as a person of knowledge on the subject and that any Google searches only have her as having written the script for that film. Nothing else.

I'm certain that Mr. Stone has nothing to do with the script, but did do the interviews.

If you have proof that US drones were used please share it.

if you have proof it was Ukraine drones, please share it.

if you have proof they were attacking military targets, please share it.

Because everything else being used is US supplied. and they keep hitting office buildings when they attack.

why would they not use the "cutting edge" ones?

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/cutting-edge-drones-headed-to-ukraine-in-latest-us-aid/

so the US is NOT supplying Ukraine with drones?

Err, nobody said that.

so they did use US supplied drones to attack Russian civilians on Russian soil?

so they did use US supplied drones to attack Russian civilians on Russian soil?

Did they? Prove it.

another poster said it was almost certainly not US supplied drones.

the way to prove that would be to show the US is not supplying drones, but they are,

So why so confident its not US drones. cause of course they are.

Interesting how the rightwing North American podcast watchers are citing Oliver Stone as an authority on geopolitics.

Oliver Stone is a ‘Hollyweird’ director famous for playing a bit fast and loose with facts in his films.

Oliver Stone?

another poster said it was almost certainly not US supplied drones.

the way to prove that would be to show the US is not supplying drones, but they are, 

So why so confident its not US drones. cause of course they are.

It can’t at this stage be proved either way. Nobody said the U.S. isn’t supplying drones. That doesn’t mean U.S. drones were used in the attacks on Russian soil. Ukraine also has drones which were not supplied by the U.S.

Blacklabel - No definitive proof yet, but there are signs it may have been a Ukrainian Bober drone. We will probably know for sure one way or the other soon enough.