Divided Supreme Court outlaws affirmative action in college admissions; says race can't be used

Expected but still disappointing.

There is ;was) no “quota system” in Coolidge admissions. Affirmative action allowed admissions boards to take it into account when trying to secure a diverse student body, which benefits all students.

So legacy systems, which serve as an affirmative action system in hiding for the under-abled children of white graduates (W. Would have been laughed out of biloth Harvard and Yale without it.), and the “donations” route (How Kushner’s dad got him into Harvard. How Quail’s dad got him into DePaul (and thus kept him out of Vietnam) are ok,

But a program that considers race in admissions as part of overall achievement and potential in creating a diverse student body is not.

Yeah, that makes no sense.

And the vote of Clarence, who still has a chip on his shoulder for benefiting from Affirmative action, so much so that he has cut off the root source of his legal “success” (more on that below), is particularly galling but not unexpected given his disdain for the self-evident fact that America has a history of institutionalized discrimination based on race that it continues to work through.

Clarence is the beneficiary of Affirmative Action not once but twice.

HIn addition to his acceptance to Yale, he was a race-based quota choice for SCOTUS by Bush 1. There was nothing in his how history to suggest that he should even be arguing before the Court, much less serving on it.

He had been on the Court of Appeals for about a year (BECAUSE he needed some cover to be appointed. He hadn’t even earned that slot) with middling results.

He never tried a case as a lawyer. He didn’t serve as a trial court judge.

Nope, Poppy Bush wanted to replace a retiring Liberal Lion, the first Black Justice Marshall, and he needed a black Republican. Clarence wasn’t “A” candidate. He was “the” candidate. And when very credible evidence of sexual harassment surfaced, Clarence pulled out the race card and it got him over the hump and got him on the bench. How “ironic.”

Nothing he’s done since has ever suggested that he has the intelligence, knowledge “judiciousness” and certainly not the integrity to serve on the Supreme Court.

That he is eliminating the opportunity for other minorities (not just blacks) to have opportunities that the circumstances of their youth would have otherwise denied them,….

Well, hypocrisy is not a strong enough word.

Good ruling and great day, about time. Now we say America is a free and racially fair nation that values the rights and liberties of ALL RACES.

Why don't the ivy league schools reserve 50% of their admission slots for kids from the bottom 1% income bracket? Because there would be less money to be made?

Why don't the ivy league schools reserve 50% of their admission slots for kids from the bottom 1% income bracket? Because there would be less money to be made?

True.

Only a complete moron would believe that race doesn’t play any factor in the educational circumstances in minorities upbringing prior to admission.

Now no effort of any kind can be made to examine the applicant in totality. Just arbitrary testing scores (which all the prep schools that wealthy white parents can afford teach to.)

But taking other factors (military service, legacy status “Affirmative Action for rich spoiled white kids”, donations) is?

5 white justices and the quota vote to make campuses less diverse. The 3 minority women vote to give their fellow minorities a better chance at the dream.

How telling

Kinda odd that the body made up specifically to show the diversity of the country feels it's not necessary anywhere else.

There is one link to affirmative action in every level of an educational pathway in life, poverty.

When the politics of racism is striped away, what is left is the right to a level playing field in the ability to excel regardless of race, gender. etc.

But most importantly which side of the street you are born on.

That is the precursor to attainment, that first full day at prep school or classed as a slum kid, your status in society.

Social Justice, who pays?

A fair enough question to ask..

I am not a fan of quotas.

More positive action to award skills and hard work.

I always believed that Affirmative Action was fine for entering universities, but NEVER for a job that required a college education.

This is one of those cases where both sides had very strong arguments in their favor. It’s a conservative court. Were the court still liberal leaning it would have gone the other way, and neither decision would have been wrong.

I’d like to commend Justice Jackson for recusing herself from the Harvard case due to conflict of interest.

here’s hoping Justice Thomas follows her example if anything Jan 6 related gets to the Court. Not holding my breath on that.

*You are celebrating a decree that only favors WHITE PEOPLE !!..*

this is transparently false.

you may want to take a moment to investigate who filed these cases.

*The Pew survey shows a clear divide along racial and ethnic lines: A majority of white and Asian adults disapprove of racial consideration in admissions, while Black Americans largely approve and Hispanics are about evenly split.*

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/29/us/politics/affirmative-action-polls.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

*In the North Carolina case, the plaintiffs said that the university discriminated against white and Asian applicants by giving preference to Black, Hispanic and Native American ones. The university responded that its admissions policies fostered educational diversity and were lawful under longstanding Supreme Court precedents.*

*The case against Harvard has an additional element, accusing the university of discriminating against Asian American students by using a subjective standard to gauge traits like likability, courage and kindness, and by effectively creating a ceiling for them in admissions.*

so let’s correct that for you, TokyoLiving. *You are celebrating a decree that only favors White and Asian people.*

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/29/us/politics/supreme-court-admissions-affirmative-action-harvard-unc.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

What does Affirmative Action actually mean?

Good positive slogan.

But for whom does it this slogan related to, and at what level of education should it kick in.

Should Affirmative Action simply be associated to prejudice, discrimination in attainment/higher education?

Chief Justice John Roberts said that for too long universities have “concluded, wrongly, that the touchstone of an individual’s identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned but the color of their skin. Our constitutional history does not tolerate that choice.”

Justice Clarence Thomas — the nation's second Black justice, who had long called for an end to affirmative action — wrote that the decision “sees the universities’ admissions policies for what they are: rudderless, race-based preferences designed to ensure a particular racial mix in their entering classes.”

What come next?

Admissions policies must point to a recognized fair system of excellence, more than just a nod to inclusion, and most importantly, where the students without deep pockets are clearly acknowledged

My daughter attend a much more diverse State school than I attended 30 years ago.

And that’s better for everyone.

This ruling will make universities, particularly the elite private schools, less diverse, more racially and economically homogeneous. And that’s bad public policy. It will lead to group think in public and foreign policy. It will lead to the same group think that lead to Vietnam and the 2nd Gulf War.

And it will lead to a less diverse workforce which is exactly the opposite of what US employers want.

And this SCOTUS is killing its legitimacy with the public because it is removing rights on voting, abortion, and now the right of universities to decide for themselves what their student body should look like in the aggregate.

And these policies had broad support among the public, corporations and the military.

It’s like a small influence group working under the guise of “constitutionalism” has decided that what the public wants: voting access for all, healthcare access and now even considering diversity in the access to higher education doesn’t matter.

Roberts is burning the Court’s reputation to the ground.

And whatever happened to precedent?

min all three cases: The Voting Rights Act, Roe and Affirmative Action, the facts and the circumstances had not changed. The policies had gotten more, not less popular.

No, a group of politicians in robes decided to ignore precedent, make their confirmation hearing testimony about respect for settled law a lie, and just overturn Rights that they don’t like.

Its that simple.

continuing with EFD’s point about the legacy system, just looked up minimum SAT required to have any shot at getting into Yale. 1470 is the lowest score to still be considered competitive. 1400? You qualify to apply but have no realistic chance.

GW Bush got in with a 950. Not a bad score, but nowhere even close to meeting Yale standards. Think we know where to look next to make elite institutions more equitable and inclusive.

lots of people sporting Ivy League credentials who had no business being considered at all.

Excellent ruling. Affirmative action excludes people by race. The exact thing it supposedly exists to prevent.

equality doesn’t mean making any group more equal.

And that’s bad public policy. It will lead to group think in public and foreign policy. It will lead to the same group think that lead to Vietnam and the 2nd Gulf War.

can’t speak about Vietnam, but was in grad school (PoliSci) in NYC for 9/11 and the buildup to Gulf War 2. To say the NeoCons ignored the Academy is the understatement of eternity…

Why don't the ivy league schools reserve 50% of their admission slots for kids from the bottom 1% income bracket? Because there would be less money to be made?

True.

Agree for once with Bass. The conservative court of course loves to feed the race baiters and this has been a conservative tactic of division since Jim Crow.

https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/college-admissions-scandal

Exclude the wastrel trust fundies who parents give huge endowments and coast on privilege since birth .

This might include a lot of leading lights of conservatism of course.

So legacy systems, which serve as an affirmative action system in hiding for the under-abled children of white graduates (W. Would have been laughed out of biloth Harvard and Yale without it.), and the “donations” route (How Kushner’s dad got him into Harvard. How Quail’s dad got him into DePaul (and thus kept him out of Vietnam) are ok,

Right on.

College admissions can be both more dynamic and inclusive, including the neural diverse who excel in certain narrow fields without perfect academic backgrounds as well as socioeconomically disadvantaged.

Our colleges are stronger when they are racially diverse. And America is stronger because we are tapping into our full range of talent.

Today's Supreme Court decision is not the last word.

not the last word? Sounds like someone is denying the Supreme Court decision and attempting to undermine its authority.

that would be wrong wouldnt it?

I feel like fifty years ago this was a good policy. It really helped minorities get into universities.

But know it is not needed. Diversity at universities is at a all time high.

It's the correct decision.

And the vote of Clarence, who still has a chip on his shoulder for benefiting from Affirmative action, so much so that he has cut off the root source of his legal “success” (more on that below), is particularly galling but not unexpected given his disdain for the self-evident fact that America has a history of institutionalized discrimination based on race that it continues to work through. 

So you are saying, that Blacks and Latinos should benefit from Affirmative action and that it is needed, but if you are white and asian you should be excluded?

Clarence is the beneficiary of Affirmative Action not once but twice. 

And? Doesn't mean that the practice was right or it should have been upheld, it was one of the worst and most divisive and racist rulings we could ever have in the US. it didn't bring out equality at all, quite the opposite

HIn addition to his acceptance to Yale, he was a race-based quota choice for SCOTUS by Bush 1. There was nothing in his how history to suggest that he should even be arguing before the Court, much less serving on it. 

He had been on the Court of Appeals for about a year (BECAUSE he needed some cover to be appointed. He hadn’t even earned that slot) with middling results. 

He never tried a case as a lawyer. He didn’t serve as a trial court judge. 

Nope, Poppy Bush wanted to replace a retiring Liberal Lion, the first Black Justice Marshall, and he needed a black Republican. Clarence wasn’t “A” candidate. He was “the” candidate. And when very credible evidence of sexual harassment surfaced, Clarence pulled out the race card and it got him over the hump and got him on the bench. How “ironic.”

Nothing he’s done since has ever suggested that he has the intelligence, knowledge “judiciousness” and certainly not the integrity to serve on the Supreme Court. 

That he is eliminating the opportunity for other minorities (not just blacks) to have opportunities that the circumstances of their youth would have otherwise denied them,….

Well, hypocrisy is not a strong enough word.

Interesting rant, but I think now for once the US has finally broken the chains of racism and now we can judge people by their merit and not the color of their skin. Good day for America.

I feel like fifty years ago this was a good policy. It really helped minorities get into universities. 

But know it is not needed. Diversity at universities is at a all time high.

It's the correct decision.

100% correct, I couldn't agree more, this pushed America out of the Stone Age and onto a modern podium.

Liberals:

Today's Supreme Court decision is a direct attack on Black people. No Black person will be able to succeed in a merit-based system which is exactly why affirmative-action based programs were needed. Today's decision is a TRAVESTY!!!

Ivy League schools will now allow more Asians to enter.

Asian American students have higher average test scores but lower Ivy League admissions rates than many of their peers.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/asian-american-ivy-league-applicants-can-trust-markets-more-courts#

"Conservatives" -No admissions based on race! It is all a level playing field and minorities, especially African-Americans, should succeed on merit!!

Legacy admissions of privileged kids with trust funds?

https://reason.com/2023/06/29/supreme-court-affirmative-action-race-based-legacy-admissions/

Yeah that's cool, their parents earned it.

Merit based and legacy are 2 different categories for admission.

And yep want legacy gone too.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4074428-tim-scott-calls-on-universities-to-end-legacy-admissions/

But the case brought wasn’t about legacy.

The correct move. Now Asians will get their fair share of places and not be discriminated against.

Nothing will change in the Ivy League schools.

The correct move. Now Asians will get their fair share of places and not be discriminated against.

I agree.

The corruption of Ivy League schools will not change. Rich families, large donations ensure their children attend.

The corruption of Ivy League schools will not change. Rich families, large donations ensure their children attend.

Well, most Asians that applied will have that going for them

The suit was brought on by ethnic Asian families

There will be more ethnic Asians in top colleges, as they typically outperform other races

Students who are disadvantaged economically and thus educationally will have less of a chance

If ya don't live in a rich neighborhood with better schools, ya have less of a chance. In the real world, some races live there more than others

non Hispanic White students are underrepresented in the Ivy League. They're a majority in the general population, around 60%, but a minority, 40%, in the college admissions. So yeah, a good decision that will hopefully and eventually balance the numbers.

The US Supreme Court's 6-3 ruling Tuesday also drove a stake through the so-called "independent state legislature theory," which holds that legislatures have absolute power in setting the rules of federal elections and cannot be second-guessed by state courts. That decision cheered voting rights groups.

The theory was alluded to by conservative Chief Justice William Rehnquist in the landmark 2000 case Bush v. Gore, where he noted that that clause suggested limits on whether the Florida Supreme Court could decide who would win the state's presidential electors.

As Republicans have gained more power in state legislatures, the theory has become more popular on the right.

In the most extreme case, some Trump legal advisors in late 2020 wanted to use the theory to let state legislatures replace electors won by Biden with Trump-voting ones. They argued that any changes to voting procedures that year were improper if legislatures didn't sign off on them and that legislatures should have the power to declare the winner of presidential races.

Bass4,you are not a candidate for any higher education,with your lack of knowledge,just the usual airhead clueless.

Bass4,since you are a graduate of the University of Dumb Republicans,you are the last person that should be commenting on education

I'm sorry, did you say something? Thought I head something. I really wasn't paying attention.

The suit was brought on by ethnic Asian families

There will be more ethnic Asians in top colleges, as they typically outperform other races

Students who are disadvantaged economically and thus educationally will have less of a chance

If ya don't live in a rich neighborhood with better schools, ya have less of a chance. In the real world, some races live there more than others

True, very, very true.

Well they just lost the religious freedom case against LGBT and lost the 400 billion dollar student loan repayment scam.

brutal losses.

somebody on Trump side will be getting indicted while we sleep?

what's next?

the Emancipation Proclamation?

BlacklabelToday 01:33 am JST

Well they just lost the religious freedom case against LGBT and lost the 400 billion dollar student loan repayment scam.

They did put your independent state legislature theory in the garbage, though, so Trump supporters can still be removed appropriately by the voter.

IQ and ethnicity is a minefield but there is a reason why East Asians out perform. And it's not just pushy parents.

Sounds like you have some theories there, Mr. Kipling. Do tell.

UChosePoorly.....

Not my theories, but there is considerable research showing differences in race and IQ testing that would favor East Asians. As I pointed out, this is a minefield as racists wrongly use the data to support their views and others say the tests are biased, or IQ tests are not a real measure of intelligence or future performance.

Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians continually rank at the top for IQ so you would also expect them to outperform in college admission tests.