Ukraine fears a long war might cause West to lose interest

the Kremlin could exploit a dragged-out, entrenched conflict and possible waning interest among Western powers that might lead to pressuring Ukraine into a settlement.

Putin and the Kremlin probably will not stop with just turning Ukraine into a 'settlement', warmongers that they are they seem to have larger territories in mind. I think the former SSRs should each be wary. Plus if Russia takes back the Baltic states and captures the Scandinavian states that would make it easier for Russia to set up their militaries to fight a war for control of the Arctic region and plunder its resources in addition to those of the nearby northern nations. But how many people will be needed to fight Putin's wars for him and the Kremlin? People compare Putin with Hitler and there are many similarities, but Hitler was so mad he relied on an astrologer for advice, plus needed opioids, whereas Putin is just plain mad, suffering delusions of grandeur. History, assuming life on Earth will exist after the Russians are done exploiting and polluting it, will record Putin among the most evil leaders ever, and his brand of national socialism and his followers as equally hideous.

They may be right. America will surely hang them out to dry if the Trump Republicans get their way, since they are quite clearly admirers of the Russian system of government.

If that happens, I'm not sure Europe will have the unity to support them for more than a year or so.

ooh. this is getting interesting. countries backing out on their words months ago will start to appear.

what are the cost of making the Ukraine their play area of political tug of war.

USA after some months:

"okay guys. nothing happens, lets go on peaceful talks to unite economic affairs"

Putin fights for a long conflict, hoping the west will lose interest, or that Trump will be re-elected and will halt US support to Ukraine. Putin hopes if the US stops support, so will the rest of NATO and others around the globe that have been helping Ukraine. This will allow Russia to finish off all of Ukraine and make it all Russian territory for the next few generations at least. Adding the Ukraine capacity will help strengthen Russia financially and in building military capacity through Donbas and Odessa, and the Antonov factories, ship building facilities and other manufacturing Russia lost access to with the collapse of the USSR.

Putin will once again move nuclear weapons into Ukraine to have them both closer to NATO and to ensure any efforts to neutralize them in a war will bring destruction on Ukraine rather than on Russia.

Time may work for Russia more than Ukraine if Putin can keep the population in line in spite of mounting heavy casualties.

The west stayed the course for 20 years in Afghanistan, but does it have years of support for this war in its abilities. At least there are no casualties to contend with for nations providing support and in the end that may be the key.

Zelenskyy needs a reality check........ The Dombas is gone, Crimea is gone, the land linking the two is gone... and it ain't coming back.

A smart leader would be saving his soldiers lives and bargaining to keep a southern port. However, I think that time has gone.

The Dombas is gone, Crimea is gone, the land linking the two is gone... and it ain't coming back.

Wars ebb and flow. Just taking land does not mean you will keep it. Germany took a huge chunk of Russia and much of Europe. For many at the time it may have looked like it was also "gone and not coming back". A few years of agony later and they lost it all again.

The current flow is with Russia, but as the newer Western equipment is deployed with trained troops the flow will turn to ebb in at least some parts of currently captured Ukraine. Kherson could well be liberated by Ukraine forces and may even change hands a few times before the war is done.

Do not be too sure of the outcome based on current fortunes and dispositions. Things can change very quickly on a mobile battlefield. Nothing is certain for either side.

Western intelligence agencies are fully aware that the war is lost for Ukraine and the endgame is fast approaching. To soften the blow to their audiences the media is beginning to push a plausible deniability narrative that shifts the blame for the defeat onto Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian government. State-affiliated media such as the Washington Post and the New York Times have already begun to post articles critical of the Ukrainian military and the conduct of the government. Expect to see this become the dominant narrative soon.

Western intelligence agencies are fully aware that the war is lost for Ukraine and the endgame is fast approaching.

Meantime Russian intelligence agencies are fully aware time is running out for Russia to achieve its goals and find a way to end the conflict before extensive modern Western weaponry is thrown against Russian forces and pushes them back across the borders. Putin's propaganda machine continues to churn out lies to soften the blow of massive casualties they have not yet revealed to the nation.

Western intelligence agencies are fully aware that the war is lost for Ukraine and the endgame is fast approaching.

And how are you aware that they are all aware of it?

To soften the blow to their audiences the media is beginning to push a plausible deniability narrative that shifts the blame for the defeat onto Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian government.

This isn't what 'plausible deniability' means.

"Ukraine fears a long war might cause West to lose interest"

This is exactly correct. zel is a psychopath and psychopaths know well the minds of the masses (us) and know that those minds in the West have been conditioned to have the attention span of Gerbils and once public gets bored and attention turns back to sports and movie stars and money problems and the usual distractions, the politicians will be able to forget their promises, the U.S. will slink away, and the EU with the most to lose alienating Russia will leave this chump to destroy his country completely while selling 'donated' weapons on the black market to pad his and his cronies offshore bank accounts before they abscond and leave Ukraine bankrupt and DEEPLY in debt. What's new? How many times in a lifetime do we have to see this scenario in the world before we die? And the band plays on...

Zelensky needs to pull his head out of sand and face the reality that nobody will help him more than they already have, in fact, everyone is buying Russian oil like crazy.

Ukraine is alone and weak, and getting weaker everyday. The sooner he return to negotiation the better deal he might get.

There would be no deal at all if Russian army capture half of the Ukraine

This isn't what 'plausible deniability' means.

The Americans are going to claim that they were misled by Zelenskyy and his government. That's exactly what it means.

Ukraine fears a long war might cause West to lose interest

This is MSM speak for “stop now Biden if you wanna win seats in the next election”

Lots of negativity again concerning Ukraine.

Remember, they're defending THEIR homeland against aggressors.

With more and more heavy military hardware coming in they won't just hold their positions.

Even the areas presently (!!) occupied by Russia could soon come back to Ukraine.

The problem is, Ukraine needs more ammo, more tanks, howitzers, etc. to be able to fend off the massive amount of Russian equipment. Will Ukraine get what is needed? Time will show.

The Americans are going to claim that they were misled by Zelenskyy and his government. That's exactly what it means.

It still doesn't make sense. What are they going to deny?

But it's irrelevant, since it is based on your fantasy that all western intelligence agencies agree that the war is lost, and that they have instructed Washington Post and the New York Times to lay the groundwork for a wider media narrative in preparation for claiming that they never did something.

So I'll ask again, how do you know the collective views of the many intelligence agencies? Did they put them on twitter?

He's right. The West will lose interest, perhaps gradually. This might be very unpopular but I think he needs to be a bit more flexible in terms of negotiating with Russia and be willing to cede something in order to get peace - much like Finland did. If he doesn't I think Ukraine will lose more.

Ukraine fears a long war might cause West to lose interest…..in continuing to give them even more free money.

“Lyudmila Denisova: Disgraced Ombudswoman Fired by Ukraine Parliament Admits She Lied About Rapes Committed by Russian Soldiers”

Lied- to get sympathy and money and weapons.

The fickle political elite and media types with the attention span of a gold fish possibly but I have greater faith in the ordinary people in democracies who seeing the injustice, rape, murder and unconscionable brutality of the russian attack on Ukraine are less likely to be so forgiving.

in continuing to give them even more free money.

God forbid western countries help a smaller, weaker country, supply it with the means to defend itself from it's larger, invading neighbor. It's terrible.

Lied- to get sympathy and money and weapons.

And that changes the fact that Russia is wrong here?

Western intelligence agencies are fully aware that the war is lost for Ukraine and the endgame is fast approaching. 

More Russian state propaganda from the "leftists," ay?

Peter14.....

The current flow is with Russia, but as the newer Western equipment is deployed with trained troops the flow will turn to ebb in at least some parts of currently captured Ukraine. Kherson could well be liberated by Ukraine forces and may even change hands a few times before the war is done.

The Ukrainians cannot even hold areas they have been fortifying for 8 years. They have no chance of taking back any of the Dombas, Crimea or any other area Russia doesn't want them to have.

Those 4 rocket launchers from the US...more "game changers"? half of which get destroyed before even reaching the front..... Probably as important as all the other game changers...

We should not be involved in any way in this war in Ukraine, there is plenty of other issues in the U.S that could be fixed with the amount of money we are wasting in this whole business.

We should not be involved in any way in this war in Ukraine, there is plenty of other issues in the U.S that could be fixed with the amount of money we are wasting in this whole business.

People who say stuff like are the same people who support politicians who do nothing to fix the problems at home.

If you think large should just be allowed to invade their smaller neighbors, just say that.

And that changes the fact that Russia is wrong here?

no but it adds the fact that Ukraine lied to get sympathy, money and weapons.

If you think large should just be allowed to invade their smaller neighbors, just say that.

Its not a matter of “allow” or not. It’s not my concern if they do. Not my responsibility to pay them 54 billion dollars of the tax money of my own citizens.

no but it adds the fact that Ukraine lied to get sympathy, money and weapons.

So what? None of this would have happened if Russia hadn't invaded. How terrible it is for the world to have sympathy for Ukraine.

Its not a matter of “allow” or not. It’s not my concern if they do.

Of course. We've tried this sort of weak-willed milquetoast foreign policy and that's how we got World War 2. Let's try the same thing all over again. Genius.

Not my responsibility to pay them 54 billion dollars of the tax money of my own citizens.

As a citizen of the US, I fully approve of the use of taxpayer money to help Ukraine defend itself.

Don't worry Mr. Zelenskyy once the west is done with the monkey pox and 'pride month' your country will be the 'current thing again. Just give us a few months, buddy.

NATO and US need to put boots on the ground in Ukraine now or it will be too late!!!

Zelensky,15 minutes of fame has expired