Vietnamese trainee arrested after dead baby found in Hiroshima Prefecture

Let me be the first to ask; how did they find this woman??? No mention of surveillance cameras or nothing.

Very sad and troubling news.

RIP little one. I can't imagine or understand the young mother's circumstances but her situation is not helped by a totally shambolic and failed immigration policy.

Now, it's Vietnamese trainee previously Chinese Trainee. It doesn't matter of nationalities. Employe of those trainee, can easily threatening to dismiss their employee if they caught born. The system need to be changed but wait, this is Japan. So it will never change.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/05/22/national/crime-legal/chinese-trainee-japans-technical-intern-program-gets-suspended-prison-term-abandoning-baby/

Japan established the technical internship program in 1993, aiming to transfer knowledge and skills to developing countries.

They don't learn nothing new, it's because their employee can claimed them as trainee they can get less paid, even unpaid overtime. So it just another way for Japan to get cheap labor.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/08/21/national/social-issues/trainees-hiroshima-overwork-unpaid-overtime/

These trainees are the soul bread winners in their families and depend on them to bring in the money. The Japanese Government needs to step down on these companies where the trainees work at and make them pay heavy penalty every time such an incident happens. It is cruel what these companies are getting away with and they suffer no consequences only this young girl and her baby.

But the scheme has faced criticism over reports that foreign trainees who fell pregnant while in the country were deported.

And the J-gov allows this, AND THEN arrests the trainees for abandoning their babies' bodies?? The J-Gov is responsible for allowing such a STUPID rule in the program.

The Crime section of JapanToday is full of newborn babies killed by moms.

It feels utterly sad.

between around December and Tuesday. According to an autopsy, the baby had been dead between one and four months.

Just once, I mean really just once, it would be nice to get a complete story and not bits and pieces, mixed with conjecture and assumptions.!

There is a HUGE difference between the decomposed body between one and four months.

A local resident called the police after discovering the body lying naked and face down at around 8:30 a.m. on Tuesday. There were no external wounds on the body, according to the police.

And everyone is supposed to believe that the cops found the woman who gave birth, within literally hours or so of finding the body/corpse, of a new born baby?

Which means there is a HELL of a lot missing from the story!

For the love of Pete, Japan, PLEASE introduce baby hatches and inform all women on the island that they can safely drop their newborns at hospitals and clinics without penalty, fear, or discrimination. And stop threatening the trainees with being fired and deported if they do get pregnant.

The Crime section of JapanToday is full of newborn babies killed by moms.

It feels utterly sad.

No!

The section is full of young Vietnamese women being threatened with deportation if they (woe betide) become pregnant and have a child.

Mothers do not routinely allow their babies to expire unless something is amiss

Can we please dispense with the "trainee" title and call these people what they actually are?

Is the female Vietnamese technical trainee going to go all the way to the Supreme Court to get an acquittal from understanding judges? Of course she didn’t abandon the baby’s body in an empty lot. She properly buried him following her country’s religious customs. Now human rights lawyers are going to have a field day.

Are the people in charge of the whole program going to be held responsible for these problems?

Of course not.

Who cares about her nationality, unless she had to abort to keep her job to pay the loan sharks and corrupt officials at home to get the work visa.

Human soul is a fragile thing. The best thing a society can do is to create laws and mechanisms that wont drive a person into committing a totally preventable crimes...

No one has mentioned anything about who the father is or how she ended up doing what she did. Just because she's Vietnamese does not mean she should be burdened automatically with 100% of the guilt. There is a story behind this and a person that got her pregnant in the first place. She may've told the father that she was pregnant and he may've totally broken off the relationship. As a Trainee is she explicitly forbidden to have relationships?

 All suspects have the right to a fair trial and to be considered innocent until proven guilty AND to have the right to anonymity.

Fair trial sure. Innocent until proven guilty? Wrong country son!

Last one? Anonymity? Pipe dream, doesnt matter the country, or the crime, you are dreaming here.

Feel compelled to comment because it is so tragic. Saw someone said, "for the love of Pete". Saw another describing the system as "shambolic" here. Totally!! But it is another age old story of a young girl raped, nowhere to turn and 2 lives ruined. Human race has to be better. One idea is to start with finding the father.

What we really need is a fast lane to a 21st century justice system.

The current system is rotten to the core.

Killing babies is a line that must never be crossed.

Give her life.

Killing babies is a line that must never be crossed.

And how do you know she killed the baby? Abandoned the corpse, yes, that seems to be the charge here, but why are you assuming she killed it?

Love how the court of public opinion automatically comes to a judgement without any evidence to support that half cocked theory or opinion.

What we do know is that babies are abandoned more frequently these days

Why is that?

The attitude towards life in Japan seems to have a low priority when concealing pregnancy is the option to be taken instead of celebrating a life to be

They have to make an example out of this and the company President should be considered an accomplice or subject to responsibility for this situation. Company presidents must be responsible for due diligence when inspecting health and not only when they're trying to hype up coronavirus and make everyone wear masks.

I know this is Japan, but most of us come from more rational justice systems so it's important to remember this woman (who should never have been identified by her nationality) is innocent until proven guilty.

What are you assuming she is guilty of? Her nationality being named, does not name her, and it's a common occurrence in Japan for the nationality of foreigners, who have allegedly committed crimes, get "named".

Nothing in the justice system about this.

Foreign women should be educated on how to get pills and if she has to, how/where to get abortion.

Why is anything about her identity revealed?

Japanese journalism. Revealing the identity of criminal suspects is considered acceptable, weighing the right of the public to know all details of a crime higher than the personal rights of the suspect -- except for minors where it is forbidden under the Juvenile Act.

Why does the public need to know the identity of a criminal suspect?

Supposedly to be able to discuss it and discuss how to prevent similar crimes, the name is an "important detail" and "basic element of crime reporting". The media cannot be forbidden from disclosing it, freedom of press is a constitutional right and there is no other constitutional right (e.g. to privacy) that would override it.

To ostracise them as soon as possible?

Probably.

And, no, I don't agree with the practice of naming and shaming criminals either, at the very least while they are still unconvicted or even unindicted suspects.

She's a suspect, not a criminal? Have you also got sucked into the Japanese culture of guilty because arrested?!

Learn to read, pretty please.

They are forbidden in some progressive countries

I would argue that they are just not exempted from privacy laws. That is, however, the case in Japan: The Act on the Protection of Personal Information (APPI) explicitly exempts "broadcasting institutions, newspaper publishers, communication agencies and the other press" for "the purpose for news report".

The practice, if you're interested to dig deeper for yourself, is called 「実名報道」and it's discussed occasionally, once every decade or so, when it leads to problems. Don't expect anything to change about it anytime soon, though.

I suggest it is unethical journalism and serves no good to other readers or anyone in society and in article the person the article is about.

I hope you get this passionate when it's a Japanese person, named and blamed!

Oh and she isnt a minor, she is, at 19, an adult, and could have been openly named, but wasnt. Her identity is still "hidden", when the press COULD have openly published it.

she isnt a minor, she is, at 19, an adult, and could have been openly named

It's slightly more complicated. While she is an "adult" under the Civil Code, at age 19 she is still subject to the Juvenile Law as a so-called "special" or "specific juvenile" (特定少年). Juveniles in that category can only be named if and when they are prosecuted, but not after just being arrested.

In both this and the case of the 29 year old Japanese woman who buried her newborn in the garden, contrast the heavy handed guilt shaming and faux outrage with the police response to a baby abandonment case in Sydney this week.

“Childbirth can be quite traumatic and we’re worried for her safety and wellbeing, both physically and mentally. We’re trying to help her. “It’s very concerning, but she’s not in any trouble from police. I want to stress that. “We’re appealing to her to come forward, to get some help, and let us help her.”