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TaiwanIsNotChina
Somebody in the Russian air force did the honorable thing. Go figure.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Looks like everything is not okay in fascist Russia:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66005256
ok1517
Looks like the time has come for Russia to take better care of their own!
Russians fighting Russians - good so.
Ukraine prevails!
GBR48
Now things get interesting. Russia's motley assortment of conscripts and criminals might not last long in Ukraine without the Wagner group. They are a global army of battle-hardened fighters operating in some of the most brutal conflicts against the likes of the Islamic State. After increasing acrimony, the Russians made a move to oust Prigozhin and 'nationalise' Wagner. I doubt that went down well. Putin is now in an uncomfortable position, as the tougher military may not be on his side. Dictators can cement their power over time, but the longer they are in power, the more enemies they make. If he tried to patch things up, he would antagonise and distance himself from his own army.
wallace
Prigozhin has claimed Russia's Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu is lying to President Vladimir Putin about 'colossal' battlefield failures in Ukraine.
Prigozhin said the war in Ukraine is a disaster.
Bob Fosse
"Why did the special military operation begin? ... the war was needed for the self-promotion of a bunch of bastards,”
He’s surprisingly astute for the leader of a group of criminal thug mercenary killers.
2020hindsights
Prigozhin is moving from Rostov to Moscow with his Wagner troops. They have already had a skirmish against the Russian Guard, who fled leaving their armoured personnel carriers.
In response, Russia is starting to block the internet.
wallace
Head of Wagner Group brands Putin's army chiefs 'evil' who 'must be stopped' and launches 'march for justice' towards Moscow - Kremlin 'kills hundreds of his troops in air strikes' and vows to put down 'armed mutiny'.
The chief of the Wagner mercenary group has called for a coup against the Kremlin after claiming 'hundreds' of his mercenaries were killed by Russian missile strikes - with Moscow now vowing to crack down on the 'armed mutiny'.
Prigozhin said Moscow's forces were retreating in Ukraine's east and south following Kyiv's counteroffensive.
Fighto!
The Russian nazis and fascists are tearing each other apart. Fascist Russia's motive for attacking sovereign Ukraine is purely a land grab, while the Wagner nazis are in it purely as mercenaries for the cash.
This lack of unity plays right into the hands of the Ukrainians - bravely defending THEIR beloved nation.
stormcrow
What a weird and unprofessional army of clowns!
Politik Kills
How’s the irony dripping from that photo?! Brutal immoral thug leader flashing a pi55-weak peace sign.
Glad he’s going to bring about the downfall of pig putin though.
lincolnman
It should be interesting to see how our Kremlin-boosters try to spin this....Putin's handpicked warlord is now waging war against Putin's own military instead of the Ukrainians...as the Ukrainians push out the Russians in their counter-offensive...
Putin better not walk across any bridges or venture past the second floor....and wipe any doorknobs before touching...
ian
Interesting development if true.
Rodney
He just wants more money. This will blow over when he is paid.
UChosePoorly
Hopefully the West can top Russia's offer.
rainyday
Day 485
The chef who heads our army of enslaved prisoners, which achieved our only victory this year, has turned against us and is marching on Rostov.
Everything continues to go exactly according to my original plans, nothing weird or unexpected at all.
VP
u_s__reamer
Russians, armed with the wisdom of their proverb, "living a life is not like walking across a meadow", are beginning to learn that fighting a war is also not like crossing an open Ukrainian field. The Wagner snake in the grass will surely bite the little Kremlin rat one of these days. This stroll into Ukraine will not end well for either of these creatures.
Haaa Nemui
Cool. Just so long as Ukraine doesn’t start to trust this guy. Let him and Russia have at it.
Haaa Nemui
Prigozhin is clearly guilty of the armed rebellion charge the Russian prosecutors have on him, but why would Prigozhin put himself in that position unless it was actually going to happen, or this is another Russian ploy. Yep, popcorn is going to be a hot seller while this plays out.
This war was always going to come back to Russia. I wasn’t really expecting this though.
Speed
My favorite line from the article.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Getting wanted for questioning is a remarkably destructive way to say you can't pay somebody yet, but then I don't know how a fascist state functions.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Ya know, as much as I hate War Criminal Grandpa, if he could be convinced to blow a hole in the Russian lines, he could be given sanctuary in Ukraine and that would not be a bad thing. Would bring down Putin in the process most likely.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Whatever happens, "live by the sword, die by the sword" is proving truer than ever.
fallaffel
Yeah, ok.
rainyday
I do enjoy the fact that Russia is being thrown into complete chaos by a guy who was maybe the fourth or fifth best hot dog seller in Moscow, but never really contended with the big names in the field for the title of “best” hot dog seller.
UChosePoorly
This would be worth tens of billions of dollars to the West. I wonder if Prigozhin would take that deal if offered?
fallaffel
Rostov may soon have its own "referendum". It's possible that a civil war has just started.
Kuku
Fo the moment, not a single photo, not a single video with Wagner's movement. Only some audio messages of Prigozhin. Prigozhin's voice. Muddy history. People from Rostov write in telegram that the situation is normal. Nobody has seen wagners entering the city.
The Don highway is blocked. But no one saw the Wagners.
Well, what? Already drooling with joy?
An unprecedented attack across Ukraine.
Will wait
wallace
Prigozhin stated more than 25,000 Russian troops were killed, and many thousands deserted.
fallaffel
Well yes, of course we are drooling with joy. Because the Kremlin is surely trembling in fear.
ok1517
Latest news:
first Russian helicopter shot down .....
.... by Wagnerites!
Oh, and this (Russian news!!):
"The Ministry of Defence has lost control over a number of units and formations of the Southern Military District, it will not be possible to organize the defense by the RosGvradia and the FSB. The local leaders are extremely careful in their statements."
Ukraine prevails
rainyday
Video of clashes in Rostov have started to appear on social media a few minutes ago.
Looking like I’m gonna need a bigger popcorn bowl today.
La vie douce
Wow...this is insane. Fighting each other in the middle of a war. What a Christmas present for Ukraine just as they were struggling.
Kuku
Yes, there is a video of a shootout in Rostov. But this is the frontline zone, it often happens. But no downed helicopters.
UChosePoorly
Is the shootout in Rostov-on-Don? If so, that's like a hundred miles from the front line.
Kuku
wallace, I told you not one time: learn Russian harder. "Prigozhin" stated that his army numbers 25000, not that 25000 were killed.
La vie douce
There is a short video of a clash on RT. Doesnt show too much but.
https://www.rt.com/russia/578553-prigozhin-armed-insurrection-updates/
wallace
Kuku
I watched his video.
And a BBC investigation inside Russia reveals 25,000 new troop graves.
Kuku
Don't cling to words. The Rostov region is all frontline, troops are moving there and Ukrs sometimes shoot. This is not a peaceful area.
Better look at the photo of how the Ukr air defense again bombed a building in Kiev. This is much more serious than the shootout in Rostov
Paustovsky
It really takes something to consider a minor friendly fire event more important than a self-declared military coup.
Kuku
New troop graves compared to what?
How BBC could do it???? Investigate inside Russia???? BBC has nothing more to do in Russia as to count new graves ? Why don't they count graves in Ukraine? There are already not enough places for burials there.
Give please the link of the investigation
wallace
Check the BBC site.
Kuku
wallace, one more question: what video? About 25000 there was only one audio with voice if Prigozhin but no video!
opheliajadefeldt
Maybe if NATO dropped him $1million to attack Moscow and hand Putin over to the Hague, the result could be quite interesting.
itsonlyrocknroll
Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin, 62 is a snake, think carefully deposing Putin, the knives appear to be out.
I fear akin to Marcus Junius Brutus betrayal of Julius Caesar.
Putin gone, what would replace the autocrat, could be a tyrant even more cruel an aggressor, despotic, with a Government of China willing to link arms.
JJE
Telegram channels that all Ukraine is subject to air raid alerts.
The military has reported explosions in the cities of Dnipro and Kharkiv.
Jimizo
No more information on the ‘act’?
How disappointing. It sounded fascinating.
Can anyone else step in and entertain us here?
JJE
They've posted videos of the Wagner HQ in St Petersburg. There's only a newspaper deliveryman and a few passing joggers.
The scene in Rostov-on-Don is the same.. early morning walkers and joggers.
ClippetyClop
Interesting little late-night spat going on over there. Needs to be encouraged.
No doubt our Vatnik crew will try to engage their self-defence mechanism and try to portray it as a cunning ploy, or a 'feint'.
JJE
That's what Kyiv is saying.. maybe they are cooking it up again. I don't know.
UChosePoorly
Maskirovka!
JJE
Blasts reported in Kyiv, according to mayor Igor Terekhov.
JJE
It could be decision making centers which are getting greased...
Jimizo
Just lay out the ‘act’ for us.
Let’s have a look at it.
UChosePoorly
JJE - Klitschko the fighter is mayor of Kyiv, no?
Hiro S Nobumasa
Sounds like a charade.
ClippetyClop
He isn't the mayor.
Are such decisions made in apartment blocks and hospitals?
JJE
Well, about a month back they zapped GUR chief Kyrylo Budanov in a certain building in Kyiv. I suspect a few more people are on the wanted list.
JJE
Yes, he just posted that on social media.
rainyday
And Wagner troops have just surrounded the Russian Southern Military District headquarters.
Not the same as capturing the Pentagon in the US, but that is one of five nationwide military command centres so pretty major.
ClippetyClop
Nice. Hope this is taking your mind off the Russians fighting each other in Russia. It must be hard for you to deal with, what with you being so devoted to them.
lincolnman
As most all experts predicted when his "one week special military operation" failed, which warlord/oligarch would be the first to turn on Putin....now we know...
The big question will be how many more of his inner circle will now turn on him and when will he "accidently" fall from an 8th story window...
It will all end in a palace coup as Russian history shows - the only question being which oligarch or military general will take over...
Hopefully one that enjoys his Swiss mansion, London apartment, German Mercedes, docking his yacht on the Riviera...
Kuku
Why did you think it's Wagner? There is not a single identification mark on them. Maybe it's a Ukrainian sabotage group?
2020hindsights
JJE
No they didn't. He's still alive.
JJE
Did you see the photo-shopped image of him with the Japan ambassador?
He may be alive in Germany, but he'll be drinking his food through a straw for the rest of his days.
Cards fan
No one has claimed there was a 25,000 man convoy in Rostov-on-Don. Sounds like like a strawman.