What is the difference between nationalism and patriotism?

Maybe this is why Trump's appeal to patriots is so obscene: there is nothing patriotic about trying to dismantle your government or cause its surrender to its enemies overseas.

“I’m a nationalist.” In another speech, he stated that under his watch, the U.S. had “embrace[d] the doctrine of patriotism.”

There is hardly a more appropriate example of the Samuel Johnson quote: “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.”

Nationalism is the "pride" off merely being born in a wealthy/prominent country, Patriotism is the humility of working hard to better your own country.

Nationalism is "My country is great because its my country."

Patriotism is "My country is great because its my country."

They are both pointless.

Both are bogus sentiments encouraged by the ideology makers to appeal to the insecure and make them feel better with their lot in life. Collective narcissism is a useful concept to understand it. Collective narcissists especially have a constant need for supply of ego-boosting news about how well they are doing as a group, but constant attention is good too. In order to also get such supply they will always divert conversation to about their country. Trump is such an individual narcissist that he doesn't really need the patriotism/nationalism, but it animates his conservative base, but where overt displays of individual narcissism (I) are suppressed then collective narcissism (we) is an outcome.

Those are artificially installed categories to bring chaos into the world, promoting own leftist’s agenda and ideology then. Isn’t it natural and fully understandable when everyone trues to put own family, company, living district or country first, before of any other ones? The big fraction who denies that in our contemporary era and puts negative attributes on nationalism or patriotism , or even worse prefers all other and far away entities before own and near ones, those seem to have not all candles lit on their chandelier.

Those are artificially installed categories to bring chaos into the world, promoting own leftist’s agenda

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I remember a Japanese engineer telling me how proud I must be of the UK’s contribution to science and engineering in particular over the centuries.

He seemed a bit confused when I said while I respected these geniuses, I didn’t feel proud as I had absolutely nothing to do with this.

I’ve always found the pride part of patriotism confusing, but if you’ve done well or reasonably well in your country ( I was one of those who benefitted from free university education ), I think it’s right to give something back and help those who haven’t done so well. Maybe that’s a healthy ‘patriotism’.

Tax-dodgers are very unpatriotic for me.

Tax-dodgers are very unpatriotic for me.

Here, here.

Using the publicly funded infrastructure like roads, the internet, security and law enforcement to secure their property and billions while bragging they pay no taxes because they are 'smart' and sending their billions to offshore tax shelters like Bezos et al. All while wrapping themselves in the American flag and making it harder for the average American to make a living.

Maybe here are some patriots?

https://patrioticmillionaires.org/

Oh please the political aspirations between Donald Trump. Joe Biden.

Republican, democrat, communism, fascist........

Politically this that or the other will never be able to define the difference between nationalism and patriotism.

Hell will freeze over before twelve people people in a bar, pub, izakaya attempt to try.

But it is well worth trying isn't it.

Maybe this is why Trump's appeal to patriots is so obscene

Putting Country first and foremost

Being an isolationist

there is nothing patriotic about trying to dismantle your government or cause its surrender to its enemies overseas.

Like the way this admin is doing?

Albert Einstein said Nationalism is an infantile disease the measles of mankind.

Nationalists and patriots do not live in another country unless they are serving in the military.

A nationalist or patriot does not riot and loot the Capitol Building and try to overthrow the constitution.

Nationalists and patriots do not live in another country unless they are serving in the military.

You have science data to back that claim?

A nationalist or patriot does not riot and loot the Capitol Building and try to overthrow the constitution.

A Nationalist doesn’t appease or capitulate to any foreign power sellout the country for money nor do they work and take bribes from them.

The Yakuza, the Yasukuni Shrine, the black van guys, Uyoku dantai all claim to be nationalists and patriots.

A nationalist can't tolerate any criticism of his country and considers it an insult. But a patriot can tolerate criticism and have a thoughtful conversation.

A Nationalist doesn’t appease or capitulate to any foreign power sellout the country for money nor do they work and take bribes from them.

I guess Trump is a pretty poor nationalist then, as he has done all of those things.

Is that your reason for supporting the Capitol Building riot and looting and overthrow of the Constitution?

Well, that is how you see it. I see it differently

Sounds more like you mother of invention than actual facts and reality.

Speaking of reality, you think you are a Nationalist or a Patriot if you appease or capitulate to a foreign power over a bribe?

Yes or No?

I guess Trump is a pretty poor nationalist then, as he has done all of those things.

Seeing that he put the country first to the dismay of the Dems and the rest of the world and that he was a strict isolationist, zero tolerance for the border, pushed for sovereign nation, I would beg to differ.

Speaking of reality, you think you are a Nationalist or a Patriot if you appease or capitulate to a foreign power over a bribe?

Yes or No?

The question does not apply because it wasn't on Jan 6 when MAGA supporters claiming to be nationalists and patriots stormed the Capitol Building to overthrow the constitute which you supported

The question does not apply because it wasn't on Jan 6 when MAGA supporters claiming to be nationalists and patriots stormed the Capitol Building to overthrow the constitute which you supported

No, it applies because it is a simple question.

So again, you think you are a Nationalist or a Patriot if you appease or capitulate to a foreign power over a bribe? Or would you call that treason.

Yes or No?

No bloviating

bass4funkToday 02:43 pm JST

If you think isolationalism is patriotic you need to read a basic economics textbook. An isolationist US would be wealthier than North Korea but only slightly.

If you think isolationalism is patriotic you

Not entirely, but part of it

need to read a basic economics textbook.

No, I don't need to

An isolationist US would be wealthier than North Korea but only slightly.

I beg to differ, I would rather see the US put its national interests domestically first or make it at the very least the highest priority over other nations first and foremost.

Trump spoke out about overthrowing the constitution which isn't nationalist or patriotic it's treason.

bass4funk

No bloviating

You are the one doing just that. Were the rioters and looters on Jan 6 nationalists and patriots?

Yes or No?

So again, you think you are a Nationalist or a Patriot if you appease or capitulate to a foreign power over a bribe? Or would you call that treason?

You need to explain exactly what and who you are talking about and provide some evidence for that because I can't answer a question I don't understand. Whataboutism.

The American economy and business depend on so much from other overseas countries that it can't survive in isolation from the rest of the world. America can't be self-contained. It also needs its exports to other countries. We live in an international world.

bass4funkToday 03:28 pm JST

I beg to differ, I would rather see the US put its national interests domestically first or make it at the very least the highest priority over other nations first and foremost.

Biden is doing that or haven't you noticed the complaints from our allies about the Buy America provisions?

Patriotism is "My country is great because it’s my country."

Nationalism is "They’re saying their country is great because it’s their country."

“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”

― Charles de Gaulle

No bloviating

Good, that's relief.

You are the one doing just that. Were the rioters and looters on Jan 6 nationalists and patriots?

Yes or No?

Most were, so I would say a definite, yes.

Now you're turn

Do you think you are a Nationalist or a Patriot if you appease or capitulate to a foreign power over a bribe? Or would you call that treason? *

I answered, easy. But then again, I always do.

You need to explain exactly what and who you are talking about and provide some evidence for that because I can't answer a question I don't understand. Whataboutism.

Sure, after you answer my question, that I asked you first. Typical liberal dodge.

Biden is doing that or haven't you noticed the complaints from our allies about the Buy America provisions?

Biden is doing what? He's definitely not putting American interests ahead of his own...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/06/poll-americans-dont-feel-biden-impact/

He can't seem to turn that number around, people know what's up with this guy and they're not liking it one bit.

bass4funkToday 05:03 pm JST

  

You must be confused, it's hot today. I posted at

12:51 pm JST

"A nationalist or patriot does not riot and loot the Capitol Building and try to overthrow the constitution."

*

Your reply was

"A Nationalist doesn’t appease or capitulate to any foreign power sell out the country for money nor do they work and take bribes from them."

which I didn't understand so I asked you to explain the meaning.

I am still waiting for your explanation.

I am still waiting for your explanation

Yes, after you answer the question I posed to you.

bass4funk

   I am still waiting for your explanation

> Yes, after you answer the question I posed to you.

You are still confused because I posted first and I didn't understand your response and still do not. So I cannot answer a question I do not understand. A simple explanation from you might help.

You insist I answer the ununderstandable question before you give me an explanation of what you are talking about.

You are still confused

Nope.

You insist I answer the ununderstandable question

No, simple, I asked first.

Do you think you are a Nationalist or a Patriot if you appease or capitulate to a foreign power over a bribe? Or would you call that treason?

If you want to do the typical dodge, I get it.

A nation is a group of people who share a history, culture, language, religion or some combination thereof.

Is this assertion true?

Wallace.

Nationalists and patriots do not live in another country unless they are serving in the military.

My Grandfather stated that, I have struggled with the meaning.

However he was adamant.

itsonlyrocknroll

Wallace.

> Nationalists and patriots do not live in another country unless they are serving in the military.

> My Grandfather stated that, I have struggled with the meaning.

> However he was adamant.

People who claim to be strong nationalists or patriots would never leave the country and culture they love to live in another one.

The hardcore lifelong fans at Liverpool FC would never dream of even living in another city let alone country.

Trump is now running for president again. When he announced his candidacy, he stated that he “need[s] every patriot on board because this is not just a campaign, this is a quest to save our country.”

Trump will ruin America if re elected. He is not trying to do anything but save himself. His lies about saving America are just that, lies.

Nationalist is an extremist form of patriotism.

Donald Trump said, “We’re putting America first … we’re taking care of ourselves for a change,” and then declared, “I’m a nationalist.” In another speech, he stated that under his watch, the U.S. had “embrace[d] the doctrine of patriotism.”

Trump-ists embrace anything he tells them too, including the extreme form of patriotism that endangers America and its people. The vast majority of Americans love their country and consider themselves patriotic. As the world could plainly see during his failed presidency, Trump is a self obsessed fool who thinks he knows better than anyone and everyone. The same flaw Hitler had and other autocratic leaders in the world today suffer from.

So many Americans have been blinded by Trump and no matter what lies come from his mouth they believe it. They seem unable to recognize he is all about himself and cares nothing for the average American like them. A number of regular poster's here on JT are case in point.

Lets just hope that the majority of US voters again turn out in numbers to keep this dangerous man out of the White house. Everyone will be the better off for it, except Trump who should end his days behind bars in an orange jump suit.

Thank you Wallace that gives me something to contemplate.

Patriotism and Nationalism, should that be Patriotism or Nationalism, has become an conundrum, a paradox.

There are days I miss UK, and lay out my photos.

Does that make me a momentary ashamed nationalist or patriot?

I enjoy the local community orientated spirit of Ino Kochi, quiet unassuming.

I guess home is a where the heart is.

I have waved the flag of Japan at a number of events.

Out of respect that Japan has made me welcome here.

itsonlyrocknrollToday  06:31 pm JST

Japan has been my home for 30 years and probably until the end of my days.

I am happy with that.

The hardcore lifelong fans at Liverpool FC would never dream of even living in another city let alone country.

Unless Liverpool FC (a business) moved to another city to make more money.

When I think of nationalism and nationalists, I think of a cult-like sense of superiority, like football fans!

When I think of patriotism and patriots, I think of colored cloth and symbols, and romantic notions of old when things were always better.

And there are others who don’t feel the need to belong to a group, which makes them a group, I suppose. United in not being united.

Emotions run amok, which means out of control, especially when armed.

Peter NeilToday  07:29 pm JST

The hardcore lifelong fans at Liverpool FC would never dream of even living in another city let alone country.

Unless Liverpool FC (a business) moved to another city to make more money

you don’t know Liverpool then. Won’t happen even if he’ll freezes over.

TaiwanIsNotChinaToday 06:58 am JST

Maybe this is why Trump's appeal to patriots is so obscene: there is nothing patriotic about trying to dismantle your government or cause its surrender to its enemies overseas

Yeah, and he and the lot aren't patriots anyway. He's a draft dodger, who, if he were a real patriot, wouldn't have gotten deferments for "bone spurs," but would have served his country patriotically like John McCain. They are mostly white nationalists and insurrectionists who hate anything that doesn't put their group and all of their interests first.

You will find that both Nationalism and Patriotism are pushed hardest in countries that like to go to war.

We had this discussion in college. Patriotism was defined as a mostly healthy and benign pride in community, while Nationalism involves an irrational and unhealthy excessive pride in community, a pride that is used to intentionally diminish other peoples.

Patriotism is the ultimate form of virtue-signalling. And patriots inevitably loathe most of the people that inhabit their country.

Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism.

Very productive to redefine words to fit what you want to say, rather than use the words that conform to other people's understanding of them.

Patriotism focuses on love and loyalty towards one's country, nationalism is an ideology that prioritizes the interests of a specific nation or ethnic group, which can sometimes lead to exclusionary or aggressive tendencies.

Nationalism is a political ideology or belief system that emphasizes the interests, rights, and aspirations of a particular nation or ethnic group.

It places a strong emphasis on the nation as a central identity and often seeks to promote and protect the nation's culture, language, heritage, and sovereignty.

Nationalism can manifest as a sense of pride and unity among citizens of a nation, a desire for self-determination and independence, and a belief in the superiority or exceptionalism of one's nation.

Extreme forms of nationalism can lead to exclusionary and divisive attitudes, conflicts between nations, or disregard for the rights and interests of other groups.

Like white supremacists.

Patriotism:

   Patriotism is love and loyalty towards one's country or homeland.

   It involves a sense of attachment, pride, and devotion to the nation's values, culture, history, and achievements.

   Patriotism can coexist with an appreciation for diversity and global cooperation.

   It often emphasizes a sense of unity among fellow citizens and a willingness to contribute positively to the country's well-being.

   Patriotism is generally seen as a positive sentiment that encourages civic engagement and service to the nation.

Nationalism:

   Nationalism is an ideology that prioritizes the interests, rights, and aspirations of a particular nation or ethnic group.

   It places a strong emphasis on the nation as a central identity and seeks to protect and promote its culture, language, heritage, and sovereignty.

   Nationalism can sometimes lead to exclusionary attitudes, conflicts between nations, or disregard for the rights and interests of other groups.

   Extreme forms of nationalism can be associated with aggression, xenophobia, or a belief in the superiority or exceptionalism of one's own nation.

   Nationalism can be positive when it fosters a sense of self-determination and cultural preservation without promoting harm or hostility towards others.

> Extreme forms of nationalism can lead to exclusionary and divisive attitudes, conflicts between nations, or disregard for the rights and interests of other groups.

Like white supremacists.

Or

Black and Latino supremacists

Patriotism is loving your country

Nationalism is hating others'

bass4funk

I consider myself an American Nationalist, I bleed red, white, and blue

Except Nationalists would never live anywhere except America. Certainly not in Japan.

Except Nationalists would never live anywhere except America. Certainly not in Japan.

Not true, now if you can show me where it states that, but like with everything else, you cannot.

If you take a fish out of the ocean and put it in an aquarium, the fish is still a fish

If you take a fish out of the ocean and put it in an aquarium, the fish is still a fish

If it's a nationalist fish, wouldn't it be a bit sad if you took it away from its own fish?

Nationalism:

identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

Patriotism:

the quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.

Which seems very in-line with de Gaulle's elegant distinction.

Truman signed into effect the Marshall Plan after WWII which supported the re-building of devastated countries defeated in WWII. It was realized that the rise of Hitler's nationalism was due to the crippling punishments put on Germany - which also gave rise to flighting in the streets between the nazis and the bolsheviks.

It also "seems" that patriotism is not to the "exclusion of detriment of the interests of other nations"

It also "seems" that nationalism is some sort of political movement motivated by an individual - rather than a nation - nazis swore an oath to Hitler - American service people swear an oath the Constitution.

I think it seems to be a relatively reasonable distinction...nationalisms come (unfortunately) and go (fortunately)...patriotism remains.

the Scottish Nationalist Party and Plaid Cymru 

It's actually called the Scottish National Party - no "ist" in the name. Perhaps irrelevant, but it causes a lot of heated discussion here in Scotland. Some supporters of the SNP would rather it changed its name to the Scottish Independence Party. The term "nationalist" has many bad connotations. The recently deceased SNP member, Winnie Ewing, is famed for saying, "Stop the world, Scotland wants to get on." And so perhaps the term Scottish International Party is more appropriate.

To me, "country" is one's home - the place you and your family live. And for me that's an odd shaped area covering central and southern Scotland, parts of northern England, and Osaka, Saitama and Ehime in Japan. Am I a patriot if I take up arms for Osaka against Aberdeen?

We have "states" because we need some form of regulation wherever we live. But to me, the ideas of "nation" and "patriotism" are ugly.

Some equate militarism with patriotism.

> This view is in line with that of French President Emmanuel Macron, who has stated that “patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism

….

Its hard to rake a country to heart that allows the gendarmes to body search you in public without any reasonable cause - he is finding this out the hard way

Nationalists and patriots do not live in another country unless they are serving in the military.

That's too simple a definition and full of holes. Nationalists can often be found living in another country that their government has conquered or occupied, or intends to do so. Patriots can often be found living in another country because their lives have been threatened or livelihood made impossible by political or economic forces. And of course, the many patriots throughout history who have been exiled by people in their government. Ovid is the poster boy for the latter group.

bass4funk

If you take a fish out of the ocean and put it in an aquarium, the fish is still a fish

comparing yourself to a fish?

Fish know nothing about nationalism or patriotism.

comparing yourself to a fish?

Failed humor attempt 301

Nationalism is, per one dictionary definition, “loyalty and devotion to a nation.” It is a person’s strong affinity for those who share the same history, culture, language or religion. Scholars understand nationalism as exclusive, boosting one identity group over – and at times in direct opposition to – others.

so in other words, what Congresswoman Greene means when she speaks glowingly about her Christian Nationalism is the placing the interests of practicing Christians above the interests of those Americans who are not practicing Christians.

who could have guessed?

probably not Congresswoman Greene because I somehow don’t think she knows all these definitions…she sees the nation as her nation and everyone else can shut up and know their subordinate place in her nation.

she sees the nation as her nation and everyone else can shut up and know their subordinate place in her nation.

That is exactly how the Democrats view Americans that speak out, they want us all to shut up and do as we are told while pushing us to be subservient to progressive ideologies, not what are founding fathers wanted and it should be rejected at every turn, that is neither patriotism nor nationalism, it's pure tyrannical and dictatorial.

That is exactly how the Democrats view Americans that speak out, they want us all to shut up and do as we are told while pushing us to be subservient to progressive ideologies, not what are founding fathers wanted and it should be rejected at every turn, that is neither patriotism nor nationalism, it's pure tyrannical and dictatorial.

If the founding fathers knew there was someone that wanted to return to biblical principles, they would have had that person locked up as a loon. They were busy trying to find ways to contain religion.

That is exactly how the Democrats view Americans that speak out, they want us all to shut up and do as we are told while pushing us to be subservient to progressive ideologies, not what are founding fathers wanted and it should be rejected at every turn, that is neither patriotism nor nationalism, it's pure tyrannical and dictatorial.

When some Democrat tries to ban Christianity you’ll have a point.

and THAT is a hill I’m prepared to die on.

But for now the only right being trampled is your right to persecute those you deem worthy of persecution.

you know what else the Founders were against?

the Church being involved in matters of State.

you don’t seem to have any problem bringing the Church back into matters of State. Don’t invoke the Founders. They are not on your side.

btw, I in no way believe a Christian baker should be compelled to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage. Compelling tolerance cannot be morphed into compelling celebration, and a wedding is a celebration, frequently a religious celebration.

but I reject the whole they’re free to be gay as long as I don’t have to see it thesis.

think Gorsuch actually said that in his opinion. You have no right to only see or hear what you want to. Sure, he said it to the LGBTQ movement in this case, but it goes both ways.

you have rights. So do they.

you think your religious liberty sits above their right to exist. Rights don’t work that way. At least for now they don’t.

This is from George Orwell, Notes on Nationalism:

Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.

Trump is a nationalist. He obsessed with power and is for the rich at the expense of the working class. Why do working people fall Trump. The allure of is strong in many of the powerless, often hoping power from a tyrant. The worst fallacy you can make.

Repackaging Nationalism as a positive good as memories of the two world wars fade is malignant sophistry that would make John Calhoun proud.

He obsessed with power and is for the rich at the expense of the working class. Why do working people fall Trump. 

they cheer as he openly promises to personalize the coercive powers of the State as his own, answerable directly to him, oblivious to the fact that once he and his have that unchecked power, they are under no obligation to return it to the people he claims to represent.

distressing, depressing and embarrassing.

You call a person a nationalist to smear him or her; you call yourself a patriot to praise yourself. It is a matter of usage and connotation.

You call a person a nationalist to smear him or her; you call yourself a patriot to praise yourself. 

The Trump GOP refers to themselves as both nationalists and patriots and everyone else as Marxists.

"America First" doesn't mean "America Only," which is what it's unfortunately bent & twisted into too often.

Just as normal people put their families first -- but that doesn't mean they don't care at all about people outside their family.

Not a difficult concept to grasp.

I think for Trump "America First" meant just America.

I think it meant just him and his family.

BasedJuly 3 09:56 pm JST

"America First" doesn't mean "America Only," which is what it's unfortunately bent & twisted into too often.

Just as normal people put their families first -- but that doesn't mean they don't care at all about people outside their family.

Not a difficult concept to grasp.

But the experience shows that Trump would have surrendered Europe to Russia and Japan and South Korea to China. I guess there is a certain logic that when all of our allies are dead, there will be no one to laugh at us, but there also won't be anyone to trade with.

"Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people you never met, and to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever. " - Doug Stanhope.

Both are the same. Nationalism is Patriotism and vice versa.

When you put your beloved nation above all others you become Racist, self centered, and loose touch with other who care about you and your nation too but NOT to the level you are at.

Live and Live, your nation did it for thousands of years and you are NOT going to change it. And life goes on.

Live and Live,

think a whole bunch of conservative leaning libertarians are going to find out that the religious right that they are helping to empower doesn’t do live and let live.

I would view the difference as follows:

Patriotism: "My country has achieved A,B and C, and carried out good things such as X,Y and Z. I consider myself lucky to have been born in my country, and celebrate these historical achievements, even though I had little to do with them."

Nationalism: "My country is better than yours. I don't know why, but anyone born further away from where I was born than I was is to be looked down upon and discriminated against, and probably a terrorist. Yee-haw."

Nationalism is the blind devotion to country, regardless of reality. The idiotic catchphrases once popular in the US, such as "My country, right or wrong!" or "America, love it or leave it" are perfect examples of the kind of wide-eyed devotion a small child might have towards an abusive parent or a cult member towards their cult leader.

It also includes bigotry and bullying towards other nationalities and cultures, giving one a false sense of superiority and justifies, in their twisted minds, the conquest and/or abuse of other nationalities.

Patriotism, OTOH, is an actual love for one's country. It's a love like one has for a family member for whom they want to protect and help become the best that they can be. They don't ignore the mistakes and weaknesses. They provide the support necessary to correct the mistakes, and to avoid those mistakes in the future.

For instance, those who fought to abolish slavery were patriots. They who fought to keep it, were not. Those who want to expand voting rights are patriots. Those who want to prevent people from voting, are not. Those who want equal rights to all people, regardless of race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation, are patriots. Those who want to deny those rights, are not.

One of the best definitions of nationalism that I have seen is:

"Nationalism teaches you to take pride in things you haven't done and to hate people you've never met."

jeancolmar

This is from George Orwell, Notes on Nationalism:

Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.

I wish I could click "like" a million times on that one. Orwell is pretty smart. He should write books!

Peter14, majority of American do not care about patriotism,if they did they would believe in the principal of Liberty, Equality And Justice for All ,like Mark Twain said Patriotism is refuge for the scoundrel

Yrral - That was Samuel Johnson. Once again, the US trying to lay claim to other people's territory,