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Ukraine says it stopped air attacks on Odesa, while British and Dutch jets go after Russian bombers

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By SUSIE BLANN

Russia launched three waves of drones and missiles against the southern Ukraine port city of Odesa, officials said Monday, though the Ukrainian air force said it intercepted all the airborne weapons fired during the nighttime attacks.

Falling debris from the interceptions of 15 Shahed drones and eight Kalibr missiles damaged a residential building, a supermarket and a dormitory of an educational facility in the city, Odesa Gov. Oleh Kiper said.

Two employees of the supermarket were hospitalized, Kiper said. Video showed a huge blaze at the store during the night and, the next day, the large building’s charred and mangled wreckage.

Meanwhile, Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, rebuked critics who suggest a 2 1/2-month-old counteroffensive aimed at dislodging Russian forces from occupied areas of Ukraine should be advancing more quickly.

The Ukrainian army does not intend to engage in conspicuous “large-scale battles” against the Russians as the operation moves forward, Podolyak said on the X platform, formerly known as Twitter.

The goal, he said, is a piecemeal and systematic destruction of “the capabilities of the enemy army: its logistics, technical potential, officers and personnel.”

Also Monday, the Dutch Defense Ministry and the British Royal Air Force said they scrambled fighter jets when Russian bombers were tracked flying toward the airspace of the Netherlands and off Scotland, respectively. The pair of Russian warplanes spotted in each location were flying in international airspace.

Britain’s air force said two Typhoon fighters were launched from RAF Lossiemouth to monitor the Russian bombers as they flew north of the Shetland Islands off Scotland. The Russian Tu-142 Bear-F and Tu-142 Bear-J, which are used for maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare, were in airspace that is part of NATO’s northern air policing area, the U.K. Defense Ministry said.

Russian aircraft entering the U.K.’s zone of international airspace can pose a hazard to other planes because they often don’t communicate with air traffic control or broadcast their coordinates, the military said.

The Typhoons stayed with the Russian planes until they were out of the UK’s area of interest, according to a statement from the lead pilot, who wasn’t named.

Denmark's air force said its fighter jets identified the Russian bombers flying over the Baltic Sea toward the Netherlands. The Dutch Defense Ministry said it then scrambled two of its own F-16 fighters.

“This doesn’t happen often, but today’s incident demonstrates the importance of rapid deployment,” the ministry said. “The F-16s are on standby 24 hours a day and can take off within minutes and intercept an unidentified aircraft.”

British and German fighter jets were sent up in mid-March to intercept a Russian aircraft flying close to Estonian airspace, officials said at the time. The day before, the U.S. had said a Russian fighter jet struck a U.S. surveillance drone over the Black Sea.

Russia insisted its warplanes didn’t hit the MQ-9 Reaper drone, arguing the drone had maneuvered sharply and crashed into the water. The back-to-back incidents raised concerns about aerial standoffs near Russia and Ukraine

The Kremlin's forces have pummeled Odesa since Russia last month broke off a wartime deal to protect Ukraine’s crucial grain exports. The Russian attacks appear aimed at facilities that transport grain and also at wrecking cherished Ukrainian historical sites.

The landmark agreement negotiated by the U.N. and Turkey had allowed grain to resume flowing from Ukraine to countries in Africa, the Middle East and Asia and to help reduce the threat of hunger.

Russia has since declared wide areas of the Black Sea unsafe for shipping. On Sunday, a Russian warship fired warning shots at a cargo ship in the southwestern Black Sea.

Russia’s Defense Ministry said the ship was heading north to the Ukrainian Danube River port of Izmail. Russian forces fired shots from automatic small arms to force the ship to stop, the ministry said on Telegram.

Ukraine’s presidential office reported Monday that at least eight civilians were killed and 23 others were wounded in Ukraine between Sunday and Monday mornings.

In other developments Monday:

— Russia’s Defense Ministry said the country's air defense systems shot down an unspecified number of Ukrainian drones over the Belgorod region without causing damage or casualties. The region, which borders Ukraine, is a regular target of Ukrainian cross-border shelling and drone strikes. Neither Russia nor Ukraine's latest battlefield claims could be independently verified.

— The Norwegian government said Norway-based Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace will provide a newly developed anti-drone system to Ukraine in a deal worth 740 million kroner ($71 million). Russia has made frequent use of drones, especially Iranian-made Shahed drones, to pound Ukrainian territory.

Mike Corder in The Hague, Netherlands; Jan M. Olsen in Copenhagen, Denmark; Illia Novikov in Kyiv, Ukraine; Yuras Karmanau in Berlin and Brian Melley in London contributed.

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I thought these Jalibur missiles were “unstoppable”?

Huh, that’s weird.

And it seems like Mimi-me is doing his best impression of a 3 year old not getting enough attention.

Must be trying to cover for the incompetence of his “army.”

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Well at least we are back to “all” missiles and drones shot down but entire buildings supposedly on fire and destroyed simply from “debris”.

the media was kind of losing the narratives recently, good to see them back on track.

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Russia launched three waves of drones and missiles against the southern Ukraine port city of Odesa, officials said Monday, though the Ukrainian air force said it intercepted all the airborne weapons fired during the nighttime attacks.

Looks like Ukraine have moved their air defence systems into Odesa. Kiev became well protected and now with Russia targeting food supplies for the world, they have had to fortify their ports.

7 ( +15 / -8 )

Again and again, targeting civilian infrastructure!

Again and again terrorizing the civilian poplulation of Ukraine!

Again and again ..........

That's all PUTAin and his marauders are good at!

Russia is a terrorist state!

Ukraine prevails!

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Falling debris from the interceptions of 15 Shahed drones and eight Kalibr missiles damaged a residential building, a supermarket and a dormitory of an educational facility in the city, Odesa Gov. Oleh Kiper said.

Most damage likely caused by Ukrainian defense system that hit or miss the incoming drones and missiles.

Again and again, targeting civilian infrastructure!

No, they target infrastructure used for importing and storing weapons used by Ukraine to target Russian civilian infrastructure.

Russia prevails!

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The ruble is worth less then a penny now.

Remember we used to say cheaper than borscht? Now we can switch worldwide to cheaper than the ruble.

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If someone invades your country, target their leader, their government, their regime's financial backers, their military command and control, and their internet backbone. From Day 1. Don't re-run tank battles and trench warfare from WWI whilst your country gets ripped to bits.

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A piecemeal and systematic destruction of the capabilities of the enemy army: its logistics, technical potential, officers and personnel is exactly what Russia is doing, not the Ukraine. Every day the Russian forces get a bit stronger and everyday the Ukrainian forces get a little weaker. The Asian Times is even mentioning something like a possible military coup against Zelenskyy as the Ukrainian commanders are tired of throwing young men in the grinder to die in a hopeless war if it continues much longer.

-9 ( +8 / -17 )

A piecemeal and systematic destruction of the capabilities of the enemy army: its logistics, technical potential, officers and personnel is exactly what Russia is doing, not the Ukraine. Every day the Russian forces get a bit stronger and everyday the Ukrainian forces get a little weaker. The Asian Times is even mentioning something like a possible military coup against Zelenskyy as the Ukrainian commanders are tired of throwing young men in the grinder to die in a hopeless war if it continues much longer.

That's the agenda the Russia propaganda machine is pushing. Are you pushing the same agenda intentionally as Putin's propaganda machine or is it coincidental?

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The Asian Times is even mentioning something like a possible military coup against Zelenskyy

Something like a possible military coup? Sounds like you are really excited about this speculative and vague statement.

Could you give us a link to this so we can check it out for ourselves?

Thanks in advance.

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Imagine the Russian pilots’ surprise!

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A piecemeal and systematic destruction of the capabilities of the enemy army: its logistics, technical potential, officers and personnel is exactly what Russia is doing, not the Ukraine

Ukrainian losses are replaced by 32 NATO nations.

Russia’s are replaced by?

N. Korea, lol.

That’s a very strong argument.

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I support Ukraine to the last man standing!

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

The pair of Russian warplanes spotted in each location were flying in international airspace.

part of NATO’s northern air policing area, the U.K. Defense Ministry said.

Policing international airspace with warplanes eh

Ok

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

The Ukrainian army does not intend to engage in conspicuous “large-scale battles” against the Russians as the operation moves forward,

Tediously tiresome to read the continued excuses of why the counteroffensive is anticlimactic

You call that moving forward ?

Please !

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Russian aircraft entering the U.K.’s zone of international airspace can pose a hazard to other planes because they often don’t communicate with air traffic control or broadcast their coordinates, the military said.

The UK doesn't own the international airspace and the Russians don't take orders from NATO

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

U.K.’s zone of international airspace

Isn't that an oxymoron, contradiction?

-6 ( +4 / -10 )

Must be trying to cover for the incompetence of his “army.”

Must be why the Russians have been kicked out of Ukraine already and ran back to Russia with thier tail between their legs because they are so incompetent.

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Looks like Ukraine have moved their air defence systems into Odesa. Kiev became well protected and now with Russia targeting food supplies for the world, they have had to fortify their ports.

If it looks to you as if Kiev and Odessa are now well protected then why does the Russian destruction continue.

And what of the Russian advancement in the north

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

Most damage likely caused by Ukrainian defense system that hit or miss the incoming drones and missiles

Exactly

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winston

Looks like Ukraine have moved their air defence systems into Odesa. Kiev became well protected and now with Russia targeting food supplies for the world, they have had to fortify their ports.

If it looks to you as if Kiev and Odessa are now well protected then why does the Russian destruction continue.

Compared to a couple of weeks ago, the damage is minimal.

And what of the Russian advancement in the north

There isn't any.

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The Ukrainian air force said it intercepted all the airborne weapons fired during the nighttime attacks.

Then it must be true....lol

The Russian attacks appear aimed at facilities that transport grain and also at wrecking cherished Ukrainian historical sites.

Those "Ukrainian historical sites" in Odesa are actually Russian. Russian style, Russian built. Odesa is as anyone who have ever visited knows, a very Russian town.

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2020hindsights

Today 09:31 am JST

And what of the Russian advancement in the north

> There isn't any.

Strange according to all non western MSM, according to the Ukrainian military, according to pro Ukraine "Deep State UA" Russia has not only advanced in the north but Ukraine has ordered a mandatory evacuation of the area!

Funny how that evacuation order was not reported or barely reported by western MSM.

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Antiquesaving

2020hindsights

Today 09:31 am JST

And what of the Russian advancement in the north

There isn't any.*

Strange according to all non western MSM, according to the Ukrainian military, according to pro Ukraine "Deep State UA" Russia has not only advanced in the north

There was a small advancement with the most gain around the 26th July. Since then they have been pushed back.

but Ukraine has ordered a mandatory evacuation of the area!

Funny how that evacuation order was not reported or barely reported by western MSM.

An evacuation order is standard for villages on the front lines because military activity is expected. But for all of Russian gains up North they have been pushed back to nearly where they started.

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The Putin-boosters here can re-post Kremlin Potemkin Village fairy tales all they want...

But they sure won't mention that the ruble is now worth less than one penny...

The ruble crashed through the psychological support of 100 to the U.S. dollar and on Monday is now worth less than a penny, the first time since March 23 of last year.

“They’re laughing at us,” scathed Vladimir Solovyov, Russia’s most well-known state TV personality and a chief Putin ally, already last week.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russian-ruble-now-worth-less-140326750.html

His ships are being sunk in the Black Sea, his beloved bridge to Crimea gets new holes every day, his private Army mutinies and matches on Moscow, and now his main currency is worth less than a penny...

Sure, Putin's war is going swell for him...

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The goal, he said, is a piecemeal and systematic destruction of “the capabilities of the enemy army: its logistics, technical potential, officers and personnel.”

This is called a war of attrition and Ukraine even used those words.

Sadly it doesn't seem like Ukraine understands how it works.

The goal in a "war of attrition" is to grind down the enemy forces before yours.

But Russia has more men, more ammunition, more guns more everything.

Ukraine is the one on the offensive and even western so-called experts will tell you those on to offensive lose more men and equipment.

Ukraine just captured the tiny village of Urozhaine it took 18 days of daily assaults by multiple brigades a loss of dozens of armoured vehicles and tanks using thousands of soldiers ( confirmed by Oryx) against a company size unit fewer than 200 Russians backed by artillery.

Ukraine had a 10 to 1 advantage and took brigade after brigade before the Russians finally left the village.

This village is 17 km from the main line of defense!

So thousands of Ukrainians backed by multiple waves of western supplied armoured vehicles at a 10 to 1 advantage took over 2 weeks to take one little village, take a guess what it will be like if Ukraine actually reaches the first fortified line of defense!

A war of attrition doesn't work if you are losing more men and equipment than the enemy and you already have a force half their size.

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2020hindsights

Today 09:44 am JST

An evacuation order is standard for villages on the front lines because military activity is expected. But for all of Russian gains up North they have been pushed back to nearly where they started.

Did I say evacuation of villages only?

No even Kharkiv is under a preparation order to evacuate, look up how big a city Kharkiv is.

As for back to nearly where they started.

Again false even Deep State UA admits the Russians have taken more and more territory!

Deep state ua may be ultra pro Ukraine but at least he reports honestly unlike western MSM.

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But for all of Russian gains up North they have been pushed back to nearly where they started.

Didn't Russia start in Russia? Have they been pushed back to Russia?

-6 ( +5 / -11 )

The ruble is worth less then a penny now.

Thanks for yet another extremely valuable comment on topic

Wierd how Americans call a one cent coin a penny

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

There was a small advancement with the most gain around the 26th July. Since then they have been pushed back.

Russia doesn't need to advance anywhere. As long as the Ukraine army keeps coming at them, Ukraine will take much heavier losses. Eventually they will run out of equipment, and much more tragically that almost nobody in the West seems to care about: men.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

And what of the Russian advancement in the north

2020hindsites

Today  09:31 am JST

There isn't any.

No you mean your not aware of any because your not up to snuff on current events

Please try to keep up ol chap

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U.K.’s zone of international airspace

Isn't that an oxymoron, contradiction?

Exactly !

Congratulations you win today's sarcasm awareness award

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

I support Ukraine to the last man standing!

I don't like to witness human sacrifice and suffering to support the American weapons industry

-6 ( +5 / -11 )

US and NATO are winning. Each day that passes Russia is continuing to lose people and getting weaker militarily and economically,

Russia is getting weaker without having to sacrifice any US or NATO lives

-7 ( +3 / -10 )

Didn't Russia start in Russia? Have they been pushed back to Russia?

Nope the invasion started from Belarus

-11 ( +1 / -12 )

2020hindsights

Today 09:31 am JST

And what of the Russian advancement in the north

There isn't any.

Strange according to all non western MSM, according to the Ukrainian military, according to pro Ukraine "Deep State UA" Russia has not only advanced in the north but Ukraine has ordered a mandatory evacuation of the area!

Funny how that evacuation order was not reported or barely reported by western MSM.

@antiquesaving

Awesome thankyou

iam so relieved that there's some commenters up to speed on current events

Thumbs up to you

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

And while everyone is looking the other way Ukraine is losing control of its agricultural lands as well from the inside, to big business interests

Real tragic for Ukraine

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

so is UA winning finally?

someone explain.when will they take RedSquare so will see live news...

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winston

And what of the Russian advancement in the north

2020hindsites

Today  09:31 am JST

There isn't any.

No you mean your not aware of any because your not up to snuff on current events

Please try to keep up ol chap

Oh, I am indeed ol chap. I saw lots of chatter on this a couple of weeks ago, but since then Ukraine have retaken the land that Russia had advanced in, making it around net zero.

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Also Monday, the Dutch Defense Ministry and the British Royal Air Force said they scrambled fighter jets when Russian bombers were tracked flying toward the airspace of the Netherlands and off Scotland, respectively. The pair of Russian warplanes spotted in each location were flying in international airspace.

Why is this news?

NATO jets, drones, Awax, etc..are chased from Russian or near Russian airspace on a daily basis in the black Sea, the Baltics, etc...why not also publish this everytime it happens?

And then western countries wonder why MSM is dying and these countries are trying desperately to save them by trying to tax/force online social media like FB X/Twitter, etc...to pay these failing MSM.

Nothing in this article is actually reporting, all the so-called "reporter did was take UK other western countries and Ukrainian press releases and reprint them nearly word for word.

By my quick count, the above "article" is over half quotes and official government press releases from Zelensky, Ukraine defense department, UK defense department etc...the rest is copy paste from previous articles that were copy pasted from previous western governments and Ukrainian official press releases.

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Antiquesaving

2020hindsights

Today 09:44 am JST

An evacuation order is standard for villages on the front lines because military activity is expected. But for all of Russian gains up North they have been pushed back to nearly where they started.

Did I say evacuation of villages only?

No even Kharkiv is under a preparation order to evacuate, look up how big a city Kharkiv is.

Villages, cities, same thing. It's because they expect Russia to attack that area. I don't see why this would be seen as unusual.

Again false even Deep State UA admits the Russians have taken more and more territory!

Did you even look at Deep State UA. Because I checked it before I replied to make sure I wasn't mistaken.

Guess what? I wasn't mistaken. Russia has taken almost zero territory up north.

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What do Russia, China, North Korea and Iran have in common? Answer: No free speech. No freedom of religion. No right to assemble publicly. No freedom of the press. All of the leaders of these countries languish in oppulence while the median per capita net worth of its citizens is less than $600. So to all the cowards who support the dictators of these countries, walk the talk and not talk the walk.

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2020hindsights

Today 11:07 am JST

Oh, I am indeed ol chap. I saw lots of chatter on this a couple of weeks ago, but since then Ukraine have retaken the land that Russia had advanced in, making it around net zero.

Here, if you are going to make claims at least look it up!

This is deep state ua pro Ukraine map.

https://deepstatemap.live/en#10/49.6903/37.7890

It is interactive ultra pro Ukraine so will only show what is 100% undeniable when it comes to Russian advances.

Suriyakmaps is far more neutral but you wouldn't dare use a neutral source, so at least look at a Ukrainian one.

Go to the top where the red and green meet in the Kupiansk area, scroll back to the 10th and up to the 15th. Play with the map all you want, Russia has not been been pushed back and is not at net zero gains.

And remember Deep state ua is subject to Ukrainian laws, located in Ukraine and Can only publish what is authorized by the Ukrainian government.

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Did you even look at Deep State UA. Because I checked it before I replied to make sure I wasn't mistaken.

> Guess what? I wasn't mistaken. Russia has taken almost zero territory up north.

Yes and I just posted the Link because you didn't look it up!

Had you actually looked it up gone back to the start of the Russian offensive you wouldn't have made your claim.

Why do you insist on keeping to a false claim when the evidence of territory taken is clear even to the Ukrainians?

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Pacificpilot

Today 11:12 am JST

What do Russia, China, North Korea and Iran have in common? Answer: No free speech. No freedom of religion. No right to assemble publicly. No freedom of the press. All of the leaders of these countries languish in oppulence while the median per capita net worth of its citizens is less than $600. So to all the cowards who support the dictators of these countries, walk the talk and not talk the walk

Yes and that exact description applies also to Ukraine the second most corrupt country in Europe according to the EU its self!

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Meeting of the central Russian Bank on the fall of the rouble. Russia’s central bank to hold extraordinary meeting after rouble falls to 16-month low.

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ian

Today 10:52 am JST

And while everyone is looking the other way Ukraine is losing control of its agricultural lands as well from the inside, to big business interests

> Real tragic for Ukraine

No that can't be!

According to so many here Ukraine is winning, Russia is collapsing, Ukraine must at least be in Crimea by now and on it's way to Moscow by the end of this month.

I mean look how fast Ukraine has advanced it pushed through all 6 fortified lines getting to Crimea in a matter of days, right?

Sarcasm off:

Ukraine hasn't even reached the first line of defense, it was so desperate to do so and make the claim, it sent a single unmanned remote controlled older damaged tank and recorded it with a drone to say they broke through to the first line.

A pitiful cry for a " victory" to show the west, the Ukrainian footage stops but the Russian footage shows the tank aimlessly wandering as it eventually falls into a ditch.

A stunt by Ukraine and it worked as western media reprinted like this article the official press release by Ukraine as the gospel truth!

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UA is done for good,very desperate attempts to "win" as good example....

Volodymyr you are a "man"...

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

British and Dutch jets go after Russian bombers"

One would think there was a serious incident reading this sensational headline.

When in reality all that happened was this? Must be a slow news day. Bait, click..

..flying toward the airspace of the Netherlands and off Scotland, respectively. The pair of Russian warplanes spotted in each location were flying in international airspace."

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Keep pounding, Ukraine!

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I thought these Jalibur missiles were “unstoppable”? - Huh that’s weird."

Unstoppable claims? - mistaking a Kalibr for a Kinzhal , non ? It's weird ,seems someone,s expertise is not all that hot. Besides didn't the Russians run out of missiles last spring according to that same expert opinion? How can those shovel equipped Russkies be firing anything? Mondieu, those raskals.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

There isn't any.

No you mean your not aware of any because your not up to snuff on current events

Please try to keep up ol chap

Oh, I am indeed ol chap. I saw lots of chatter on this a couple of weeks ago, but since then Ukraine have retaken the land that Russia had advanced in, making it around net zero.

Goodness gracious man !

That's exactly what iam telling you

Happening " NOW " not a couple of weeks ago.

Precisely why i said -' current events ' not past events.

It's happening right now for crying out loud !

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Keep pounding, Ukraine!

What ? pounding Sand ?

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It is interesting that the number of 'Shahed drones' that have been fired by Russia and the Free Yemen Army exceeds the number of Shahed drones Iran manufactured.

And lack the cameras that are standard on the actual drones Iran made.

Unlike the US etc, Iran doesn't mass produce a stupifying surplus of weapons on a cost plus contract, and then sell them to unsavory characters, Iran's miniscule military spending depends on a proof of concept mass production run, then duplicating the ABILITY to mass produce enough to defend itself for long enough to design and start building an upgraded version incorporating what lessons the first week or two of actual war usage offers.

And a country that invests more in educating and training scientists and engineers than it does on manufacturing weapons upgrades what weapons it produces almost as frequently as 'fast fashion' changes.

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winston

Oh, I am indeed ol chap. I saw lots of chatter on this a couple of weeks ago, but since then Ukraine have retaken the land that Russia had advanced in, making it around net zero.

Goodness gracious man !

That's exactly what iam telling you

Happening " NOW " not a couple of weeks ago.

Precisely why i said -' current events ' not past events.

It's happening right now for crying out loud !

No it's not.

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Well at least we are back to “all” missiles and drones shot down but entire buildings supposedly on fire and destroyed simply from “debris”.

And of course no doubts whatsoever about the accuracy of claims that "all airborne weapons were shot down" unlike what the team Biden posters claimed yesterday when Russia said they shot down Ukrainian drones, ala " Nothing but pure Kremlin fantasy - even the Russian people laugh at it...Don't believe a word that comes out of Putin's Potemkin Village disinformation factory..."

The double standards are obvious but totally expected.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

Antiquesaving

2020hindsights

Today 11:07 am JST

Oh, I am indeed ol chap. I saw lots of chatter on this a couple of weeks ago, but since then Ukraine have retaken the land that Russia had advanced in, making it around net zero.

Here, if you are going to make claims at least look it up!

This is deep state ua pro Ukraine map.

https://deepstatemap.live/en#10/49.6903/37.7890

It is interactive ultra pro Ukraine so will only show what is 100% undeniable when it comes to Russian advances.

Suriyakmaps is far more neutral but you wouldn't dare use a neutral source, so at least look at a Ukrainian one.

Go to the top where the red and green meet in the Kupiansk area, scroll back to the 10th and up to the 15th. Play with the map all you want, Russia has not been been pushed back and is not at net zero gains.

That's tiny! Clutching at straws there, man!

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That's the agenda the Russia propaganda machine is pushing. Are you pushing the same agenda intentionally as Putin's propaganda machine or is it coincidental?

You really need to come up with a new catch line monsignor. This one is getting quite repetitively boring,...yawn.

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

EFDToday  06:39 am JST

I thought these Jalibur missiles were “unstoppable”?

Huh, that’s weird.

And it seems like Mimi-me is doing his best impression of a 3 year old not getting enough attention.

Must be trying to cover for the incompetence of his “army.”

Putin's pissed. He's trying to show NATO nations like Denmark and UK how 'bad' he is. Michael Jackson is 'BAD', Pudding Head isn't. He's just asking for a fight and those sanctions are really hitting him hard. The ruble is down at a new low.

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It's happening right now for crying out loud !

No it's not.

Oh yes indee dee it most certainly is happening NOW !

Now i just feel sorry for you.

Sorry i didn't mean to share any tid bits of info of current events that you didn't already know.

Nobody knows everything all the time anyway.

Don't take it so personally.

Anyhoo no point in me try to keep up with what your not aware of as iam too busy researching current events

Sorry

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2020hindsights

Today 12:31 pm JST

That's tiny! Clutching at straws there, man!

You mean like the claim by Ukraine and the western Media (well actually just MSM reprinting Ukraine press release without verification) that it advanced in a sector held by separatist since 2014?

You know the time Ukraine at night suck out at night dung a temporary trench less than 100 metre into a no-mans land in a country road and claimed a great victory only for Russia to not only push them out of it but actually take the 2 Ukraine trenches behind that great victory beyond the no-mans land!

Like that?

The facts on that great Ukrainian "breakthrough"

https://youtu.be/GuLCg1dEe7A

He explains it in very simple detail so you won't get confused.

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